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Author Topic:   The Creationist Method
Lithodid-Man
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Message 89 of 93 (424914)
09-29-2007 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Rob
09-29-2007 12:15 AM


Re: The ID Method
Tried to watch them all, but most seem to be no longer available. The one that is available (part 5/7) is about Kenyon's inability to understand how proteins originated without DNA. I am absolutely not a biochemist, I am an invertebrate zoologist (Dammit Jim!). This video (with beautiful graphics!) skips the entire RNA process (maybe on purpose?). And RNA can both replicate and make proteins in the absence of DNA. And RNA sequences can form spontaneously in clays. All of these facts are available and known to the people at the Discovery Institute, but they choose to ignore/deny them. Still think them reliable and honest?

"I have seen so far because I have stood on the bloated corpses of my competitors" - Dr Burgess Bowder

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Lithodid-Man
Member (Idle past 2953 days)
Posts: 504
From: Juneau, Alaska, USA
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Message 92 of 93 (425052)
09-30-2007 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rob
09-29-2007 10:26 AM


Re: The ID Method
Rob writes:
Actually, it is clip 6 that covers the RNA stuff your talking about. I don't know why you would have problems with the other clips. You might just have to refresh the page.
Actually, if I am numbering them correctly, video six does not address this issue at all. The problem I am having is YouTube issuing a "This video is no longer available" message.
Rob writes:
And RNA does not spontaniously form in clays. It forms when minerals are exposed to nucleobases (assumed to be prexisting) and other catalyzing components.
Um, duh(?) What do you think spontaneous means in biochem? It is like if I said if you put two roosters in a pit together they will spontaneously fight, and you answered "No, it is not spontaneous, they only fight when they add the second rooster" Clays in the proper environment tend to organize nucleotides in a way that is remarkably similar and sometimes identical with existing RNA sequences. Those sequences, if in the right order, may catalyze the formation of identical sequences and could be a way for the first self-replicating molecule to have originated.
The link you provided is a 'twofer' for me, it not only invalidates your claim (probably should read beyond the intro, just a hint) but is an awesome and concise pop-science reference I will use in the future. So thank you for that!

"I have seen so far because I have stood on the bloated corpses of my competitors" - Dr Burgess Bowder

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