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Author Topic:   The Creationist Method
ringo
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Message 4 of 93 (411382)
07-20-2007 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Doddy
07-19-2007 9:21 PM


I think it's important to note that the scientific method consists of endless loops, while the creationist method has a fixed beginning and end. That much is accurate - creationists already know the answer. Their "method" isn't about exploring the territory - it's about laying out easy routes to a predetermined destination.
It isn't accurate, however, to suggest that the only route is quote-mining. After "Reject Evolution", the method should fan out into various routes like "Create and Destroy Strawmen", "General Incredulity", etc., all of which end at "Evolution is Falsified".

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Message 16 of 93 (411772)
07-22-2007 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by anastasia
07-22-2007 1:27 PM


Re: Responses to suggestions so far
anastasia writes:
Some people are willing to admit they may be wrong, and some people aren't.
That's what I was getting at when I said that the creationist method doesn't have a "loop". For many/most creationists, there is no possibility that they're wrong, so evaluation of scriptures and/or observations is redundant.
At best, the loops ought to be dotted lines.

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Message 91 of 93 (424938)
09-29-2007 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rob
09-29-2007 10:26 AM


Re: The ID Method
Rob writes:
It's not spontaneous as they've told you. It's spontaneous only after intelligent engineers manipulate the clay and introduce nucleobases and other components that cannot be accounted for in the clays themselves.
Maybe you're misunderstanding the word "spontaneous". As used by chemists, it means that the reaction will proceed by itself if all the materials are there and the conditions are right.
It doesn't matter whether the materials were placed there intelligently or stupidly. It doesn't require anybody in a lab coat to nudge the molecules together with tweezers.
It's just a matter of the right things being together in the right place at the right time.

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