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Author Topic:   Life on Other Planets: Is it a problem for creationists?
zipzip
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Message 16 of 101 (70115)
11-30-2003 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-29-2003 6:25 PM


Part of being a Christian is trusting God about what he *has said* to us and refraining from speculating about what he *would say* in a particular circumstance. If he hasn't said something then sit tight.
My perspective as a Christian is that the reason the Bible doesn't speak about how intelligent extraterrestrials will come to learn about salvation is because it isn't important for us to know. Let's just keep watching those Sci Fi channel specials to see who is right in the end.
As far as interpretation of Genesis -- my own view is that it can (and does) peacefully coexist with science. I don't think YECism is an essential element of interpreting Genesis.

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DaVx0r
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Message 17 of 101 (70174)
11-30-2003 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-29-2003 6:25 PM


quote:
So, did Jesus die for their sins, too? Or did they have their own alien Jesus? Or maybe they never ate the fruit, etc? So there's no sin on their planet - but then, if sin entered the entire universe because of Adam and Eve, do they then have sin for no fault of their own?
It's difficult to countenance a god that would condemn all intellegent life for the actions of two people on one planet. Extraterrestrial life puts some wrinkles in your theology; I'm surprised you haven't thought of them before.
I can see your point, however, you didn't understand what I was saying. He most likely created life, probably things similar to animals. It may be intelligent life, but animals on our planet are considered intelligent. I have no belief in the sci-fi type aliens and doubt they were created. I believe, and the bible strictly says, that man is the most complex object god has created. If we do, however, find intelligent, sci-fi, extraterrestrial life, I will concede to this argument and start seriously thinking about these "wrinkles" (This will never happen though).
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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 101 (70238)
12-01-2003 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by DaVx0r
11-30-2003 11:08 PM


If we do, however, find intelligent, sci-fi, extraterrestrial life, I will concede to this argument and start seriously thinking about these "wrinkles" (This will never happen though).
Well, I agree that we're totally speculating either way. Honestly I don't like to get into these debates because this is exactly how they end - we say "well, I'll make up my mind when we actually find the aliens." What else would we do?

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DaVx0r
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Message 19 of 101 (70374)
12-01-2003 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
12-01-2003 8:40 AM


quote:
"Well, I agree that we're totally speculating either way. Honestly I don't like to get into these debates because this is exactly how they end - we say "well, I'll make up my mind when we actually find the aliens." What else would we do?"
Yeah, I guess. And the reason I said I would "decide if we found them" is because I don't believe in intelligent ET life in the first place. I mean, it would be like me asking you(or any evolutionist), "What if Jesus came back from the heavens and told us there is a god? Wouldn't that prove evolution wrong?" Most athiests don't even believe in Jesus, therefore there would be no point in them even considering it. I hope you understand my point.

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NosyNed
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Message 20 of 101 (70382)
12-01-2003 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by DaVx0r
12-01-2003 7:47 PM


"What if Jesus came back from the heavens and told us there is a god? Wouldn't that prove evolution wrong?"
While that would be very interesting, just how would that prove evolution wrong? Jesus would have to tell us a few other things first wouldn't he?

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DaVx0r
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Message 21 of 101 (70417)
12-01-2003 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NosyNed
12-01-2003 8:08 PM


quote:
While that would be very interesting, just how would that prove evolution wrong? Jesus would have to tell us a few other things first wouldn't he?
Not really...The fact that Jesus and God are indeed real should enough to prove the entire theory of evolution wrong. I mean, I suppose he may have to say that the bible is also correct in all its terminology or something similiar. But then again, I guess he would have to say a lot more to convince an athiest...
But getting back, I was trying to prove a point, and I think that the point had been proven. You shouldn't have to go to the very detail in a situation like this to try to prove your point there, PompousNed.

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Lizard Breath
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Message 22 of 101 (70437)
12-01-2003 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-29-2003 6:25 PM


I think that you are making an assumption based on if God created other beings on other planets for the same purpose that he created Adam and Eve. If he created them for fellowship and for the reception of worship as he did us, then that would be interesting to know how he rectified them back to himself since Christ died once for us and it appears he can only give up certain Godly attributes only once to maintain human form through the rest of eternity.
If these other beings were created for some other purpose, then perhaps the ability to sin was not scripted into their being.
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If I stand out in the woods and say something but my wife isn't there to hear it, am I still wrong?

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NosyNed
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Message 23 of 101 (70442)
12-01-2003 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by DaVx0r
12-01-2003 9:20 PM


Thank you for agreeing with exactly my point:
NosyNed writes:
Jesus would have to tell us a few other things first wouldn't he?
DaVx0r writes:
I mean, I suppose he may have to say that the bible is also correct in all its terminology or something similiar. But then again, I guess he would have to say a lot more to convince an athiest...
He would also have a lot of explaining to do after he had made it clear that everything was created in 6 days wouldn't he? But that is a topic for another thread. Sorry for starting to wander off topic.

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sidelined
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Message 24 of 101 (70449)
12-01-2003 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by DaVx0r
12-01-2003 9:20 PM


DaVxOr
The fact that Jesus and God are indeed real
And you have evidence to assure us of this?

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DaVx0r
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Message 25 of 101 (70472)
12-01-2003 10:47 PM
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12-01-2003 10:05 PM


quote:
And you have evidence to assure us of this?
Before you go ahead and quote me on a PIECE of something I said, why don't you actually read the entire couple of posts you quoted me from, then you would realize that I was speaking in hypothetic terms.

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DaVx0r
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Message 26 of 101 (70473)
12-01-2003 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
12-01-2003 9:58 PM


quote:
He would also have a lot of explaining to do after he had made it clear that everything was created in 6 days wouldn't he? But that is a topic for another thread. Sorry for starting to wander off topic.
Not really, what I said before is all one would need...

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sidelined
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Message 27 of 101 (70476)
12-01-2003 11:02 PM
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12-01-2003 10:47 PM


DaVxOr
Excuse me I must have misinterpreted your belief in Jesus and God as being real.I was not aware by the statements you have made in this forum that this was the case.I shall not make that error twice.

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Abshalom
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Message 28 of 101 (70816)
12-03-2003 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-29-2003 6:25 PM


Intelligent Life???
What, Frog? You mean "intelligent life = humankind?" By biblical accounts only mankind suffers the burden of "original sin." Life on other planets could not possibly exactly parallel life on this planet to the degree that humankind has evolved identically on another planet to humankind on this planet. Impossible!

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Thronacx
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Message 29 of 101 (70953)
12-04-2003 8:59 AM
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12-01-2003 9:58 PM


Just to play devils advocate for a minute: If God originally created humans to live for ever (in genesis it mentions world without death)
then the human population would need ever increasing habitat to live on... Hence other worlds, and with an infinite life span you would need a lot of other worlds....

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Infinity
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Message 30 of 101 (78329)
01-14-2004 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Thronacx
12-04-2003 8:59 AM


"Just to play devils advocate for a minute: If God originally created humans to live for ever (in genesis it mentions world without death)
then the human population would need ever increasing habitat to live on... Hence other worlds, and with an infinite life span you would need a lot of other worlds.... "
And you think that would form a problem for our allmighty creator? Everything would have been different if sin still didn't exist in the world. But I guess sin was bound to infect us, because He gave us a free will..
Infinity
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