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Author Topic:   Black Holes Proof of Literal Hell?
Lammy
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Message 16 of 71 (108746)
05-17-2004 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mister Pamboli
04-06-2002 12:14 AM


Actually...
Mister Pamboli writes:

Time stopped = experience of suffering stopped. Doesn't sound too hellish?


Time inside the event horizon would seem to us to stop. However, to whoever/whatever that's inside the event horizon time would seem like normal. Therefore, if you are talking about suffering inside the black hole, the suffering doesn't stop as far as whoever that's in the black hole is concern.

Light can't escape = black hole filled with light, not endless darkness.

The extreme gravitational condition would drain or rip apart whatever energy that's there, including photons.

Intense gravity may even hold spirit beings? What is a spirit being and in what ways would gravity affect them? What other physical laws would affect them?

There has been many suggestions about what a spirit being is. One of the most popular one that people tend to follow, even if they know it or not, is that a spirit being is the consciousness of whoever that it used to belong to. Consciousness can also be viewed as information. If you know about black hole physics, you should know where I'm going with this.

A black hole is, by definition, a place where no information can ever escape. Since no information can ever escape, it is impossible to probe the singularity. But anyway, I propose that spirit beings are really consciousness of the dead. Since consciousness is really information, I conclude that spirit beings cannot escape from black holes.

I suggest you think about it a little more

You too


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Lammy
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Message 17 of 71 (108748)
05-17-2004 2:52 AM
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05-17-2004 1:53 AM


Blackbox1 writes:

There for there is no possible explanation for hell in a black hole, or any other phenomena in the universe.


What about the nothingness that exists outside of our 4 dimensional space?


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Message 18 of 71 (108752)
05-17-2004 3:10 AM
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05-17-2004 2:52 AM


What about the nothingness that exists outside of our 4 dimensional space?

How do you know what's out there? You've been there?

I propose that there's nothing but Jell-O out there - the blue kind, the one that tastes like Windex. You're free to prove me wrong, though I don't know how you could.


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Message 19 of 71 (108754)
05-17-2004 3:58 AM
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quote:
How do you know what's out there? You've been there?

...funnily enough i just had some relatives return from there and they said the place is overrun by tourists and the food is terrible


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Message 20 of 71 (108802)
05-17-2004 12:26 PM
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04-05-2002 8:05 PM


From a Christian perspective Black holes can not be the hell as described in the bible because anything or anyone unfortunate enough to pass the event horizon is toast. Regardless of they're state of grace. So in other words even the Pope himself could end up in hell by your logic. Black holes are what remains of massive stars that have died. So I thought about it and think your black hole hell theory is full of holes.


"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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Message 21 of 71 (108805)
05-17-2004 12:53 PM


Before I responded to this, I first wanted to see if there really was any evidence, something documented that actually gave us some information about the issue of light and smoke in Hell.

I searched for something that might be verifiable or at least falsifiable and the best documentation that I could come up with was from Marquis Don writing in Neuvo Yorkus Helios.

I would like to offer that now as a basis for at least determining the characteristics of Hell.

From Neuvo Yorkus Helios

edited to fix spelling

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Lammy
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Message 22 of 71 (108808)
05-17-2004 1:35 PM
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05-17-2004 12:26 PM


1.61803 writes:

So I thought about it and think your black hole hell theory is full of holes.


Actually, his black hole hell only has one big hole


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Message 23 of 71 (115463)
06-15-2004 4:48 PM


Gee and here I thought hell was just a metaphor for being cut off from God...
  
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Message 24 of 71 (118247)
06-24-2004 12:07 PM


The Sun would make for a good hell I think. Has anyone seen close ups from the various telescopes and satillites? It's quite the sight!
  
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Message 25 of 71 (126685)
07-22-2004 3:54 PM
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05-17-2004 1:53 AM


I think time stops in a black hole because according to the string theory a particle that can roam without being bound by a demension is a loop. Scientist believe that a gravition is a loop witch is a force. Now, the 4rth demension is considered to be time. What happens if energy is applied to 4-Demensional figures? Doesn't time speed up? The center of a Black Holes's Gravity is 0. So no gravity = No time aceleration witch means nothing can happen. But then the middle of planet's gravity is also zero so I may be wrong about this whole thread but am I at least on the right track?
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Lammy
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Message 26 of 71 (126687)
07-22-2004 3:59 PM
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07-22-2004 3:54 PM


Guidosoft writes:

... but am I at least on the right track?


No.


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1.61803
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Message 27 of 71 (126693)
07-22-2004 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Lammy
07-22-2004 3:59 PM


"(HELL) no." Lam please stay on topic.
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Message 28 of 71 (126846)
07-23-2004 1:54 AM
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07-22-2004 3:54 PM


The center of a Black Holes's Gravity is 0. So no gravity = No time aceleration witch means nothing can happen.

Zero gravity does not mean time stops. Relative acceleration and relative velocity are what makes time vary relatively I think. Gravity is the same as acceleration so as you cross the event horizon, your perception of time will slow to a stop. This does not mean YOU will slow to a stop, nor does it mean your mind would stop. I think it would mean that when you reached the center of the black hole from your perspective eternity would have passed.


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arachnophilia
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Message 29 of 71 (126874)
07-23-2004 2:58 AM
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04-05-2002 8:05 PM


so i watched event horizon the other night. pretty good movie, actually.
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Lammy
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Message 30 of 71 (126880)
07-23-2004 3:27 AM
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07-23-2004 1:54 AM


Hangdawg13 writes:

Gravity is the same as acceleration so as you cross the event horizon, your perception of time will slow to a stop.


No, this is not right. As you approach the event horizon, your perception of time will not slow down or stop. Your perception of time will remain normal just like before.

What will be the case is your time relative to the rest of the universe will seem to slow down to almost a stop. In other words, if I am in a space ship half a light year away and I have an instrument that allows me to observe you while you accelerate toward the event horizon, you will appear to me as though you are in slow motion.


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