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Lammy
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Message 31 of 71 (126882)
07-23-2004 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by arachnophilia
07-23-2004 2:58 AM


A writes:

so i watched event horizon the other night. pretty good movie, actually.


Good movie. Bad science.


The Laminator


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arachnophilia
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Message 32 of 71 (126927)
07-23-2004 8:29 AM
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07-23-2004 3:34 AM


Good movie. Bad science.

well, the part about going to hell, and the ship being alive. i'm totally sure on the whole einstein-rosen bridge bit, but it sure gets used a lot in sci-fi.

but i was just pointing out the similarity between the original post, and the premise of that movie. don't believe everything you see in hollywood.


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Message 33 of 71 (126934)
07-23-2004 9:22 AM
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07-23-2004 8:29 AM


Sometimes it's not easy to watch sci-fi because I can't stop thinking about how rediculis what there saying is and is not true in reality, but then again, that's the point of sci-fi.
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Hangdawg13
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Message 34 of 71 (126995)
07-23-2004 1:29 PM
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07-23-2004 3:27 AM


As you approach the event horizon, your perception of time will not slow down or stop. Your perception of time will remain normal just like before.

Right.

Maybe I was wrong about eternity passing. I'm not sure.

I was thinking its kind of like how a photon is ageless. It is practically immortal because it travels at light speed so time doesn't pass for it. So if a space ship traveled at c between two galaxies and had an atomic clock on board, it would not advance at all during the travel so from the person's perspective on board he would reach the other galaxy instantaneously while in the rest of the universe thousands of years may have gone by.

But I guess only a short amount of time would pass in the rest of the universe as you enter a black hole, since you are traveling at a definate speed and will reach the center in a certain amount of time?


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Lammy
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Message 35 of 71 (127234)
07-24-2004 1:44 AM
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07-23-2004 1:29 PM


hangdawg writes:

...since you are traveling at a definate speed and will reach the center in a certain amount of time?


Precisely.


The Laminator

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The Dread Dormammu
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Message 36 of 71 (166732)
12-09-2004 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
04-06-2002 3:49 PM


It's Io not Europa
Percy says:

But you seem to be losing sight of your original point, which I think was that black holes may be the Christian hell. Besides that your analogies didn't stand up, a volcanically active planet (or moon like Europa) with actual brimstone seems a better candidate.

It's Io not Europa that is the most volcanicly active thing in our solarsystem. Io is the one with the massive gravitational tidal forces causing constant eruptions and volcanic activity. very sulfurous and hellish (it even looks like a hell planet).

It may also be responsible for Jupeters "ring" (though the ring is far less impressive than Saturns it is still detecatble).

Europa is the icy moon that may have a great deal of water underneath it (possibly a 60 mile deep ocean) and a good canidate for extraterrestrial life. Not hellish at all.

Sorry to pick on you but, you see, I have a deep facination with europa and hate to see her cofused with her turbulent and violent sister.

By the way, though time would stop for anything that entered a black hole. They would eventualy be reemited into the unverse in the form of hawking radiation.

See:

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=2&t=157&p=3 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=2&t=157&p=3">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=2&t=157&p=3

(pretty much everything beyond messege 31)

This is small comfort however since nothing could even approach the Swartzchild radius before being distroyed by the massive gravitational tidal forces. And being reemited as radiation is not the same thing as surviving in any way shape or form.

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The Dread Dormammu
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Message 37 of 71 (166737)
12-09-2004 9:23 PM
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07-23-2004 1:29 PM


Again anything would be distroyed but...
hangdog13 says:

Maybe I was wrong about eternity passing. I'm not sure.

You wern't wrong, you were just outdated. People used to discribe falling into a black hole as a "one way ticket to the end of the universe" because as time slows down the rest of the univerese evoultion would pass before your eyes (be sure to look up so you can see incoming light and not down where you will see only nothingness).

Now we know that Black holes will eventualy decay so falling into them is merely a one way ticket to the end of the black hole.

Disclamer:

Please, don't try this with your... black hole at home. You will not survive falling into one. You will be pulled apart and die no matter what you are made out of. Even if you can find a black hole without a whirlwind like accreation disc (making travel very treachorus) you will be horribly distroyed.

Added by edit: You are right that time doesn not pass for things traveling at light speed. Photons have a one way ticket to the end of the universe)

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The Dread Dormammu
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Message 38 of 71 (168413)
12-15-2004 5:48 AM


By the way.
Where in the Bible does it mention that hell has the maximum amount of entropy possible.

After all, since black holes cram the the maximum amount of entorpy possible into a given volume, you'd think the authors would coment on how "disorderly" hell is.

From what I remeber of "The Inferno" I think hell was pretty orderly (Added by edit) at least compares to a black hole that is I mean it had citys etc.

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Message 39 of 71 (168512)
12-15-2004 11:41 AM
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04-05-2002 8:05 PM


Then again, some Christians view hell as simply death, the grave, etc. In which case, a black hole would be just a cosmological phenomenon and not viewed as a possible afterlife destination.

**edit**Sorry, that's a little off topic and for another forum. I went to delete, but didn't see the option.

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Message 40 of 71 (215853)
06-10-2005 10:47 AM
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05-17-2004 1:53 AM


Blackbox1 writes:

The christen hell will last for eternity

First: 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Second: Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

It seems to me that 'death' and 'hell' are marked for Destruction.


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Message 41 of 71 (217854)
06-18-2005 11:47 AM
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06-10-2005 10:47 AM


Well the trip through would be rather hellish. First you have to deal with tidal forces. Then all of the light from the universe is focused on you (effectivly microwaving you). After that there is the compaction of your atoms to the point where you only exist as energy (remember, you have to have a brain in order for neurons to fire and give back sensory input, meaning if your soul is residual energy from your brain you are deaf blind mute and cannot feel anything. On top of that you will eventually spread out evenly throught the universe). And then you are radiated out as hawking energy.
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techristian
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Message 42 of 71 (427395)
10-11-2007 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mister Pamboli
04-06-2002 12:14 AM


quote:
I'm thinking about it.

Time stopped = experience of suffering stopped. Doesn't sound too hellish?


Could the end of time be the beginning of eternity?

quote:

Light can't escape = black hole filled with light, not endless darkness.

Right, but you can't see it even a few inches away because the photons are only on the surface.

Dan

Edited by techristian, : spelling


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Message 43 of 71 (427402)
10-11-2007 11:09 AM
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10-11-2007 10:49 AM


Techristian, any discussion of the actual conditions within a black hole is entirely irrelevant.

In the Bible, the descriptions of Hell tell of an eternal lake of fire. There can be no lake of fire in a black hole, and black holes aren't eternal. If you are proposing a literal Hell as described in the Bible, a black hole simply isn't even remotely related.

It's like saying that an airplane is like a fish. It's just not even close.


Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Message 44 of 71 (525055)
09-21-2009 11:31 AM
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10-11-2007 10:49 AM


Sorry to drag up a dead dog, but I felt it was necessary to point out that in 2001 a "scientist" by the name of Jack Van Impe won the Nobel Prize* in Astrophysics for his statement that "Black holes fulfill all the technical requirements to be the location of Hell."

*(albeit the Ig Nobel Prize)


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Peg
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Message 45 of 71 (525119)
09-21-2009 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by techristian
04-06-2002 4:14 PM


techristian writes:

Back then I started a BBS thread that said that I could prove the bible with science. I saved all of my old posts. I'll dig them up to refresh my memory.

Dan you dont need science to prove hell.

its beneath our feet.

Its the hole in the ground where you get burried. i have a couple of hells out in my back yard, my favorite cat is burried in one and a rabbit is in the other one. Hell = Sheol & Hades in the bible.

there is nothing more to it then that.


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