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Message 11 of 410 (456914)
02-20-2008 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by onifre
02-20-2008 2:17 PM


Bill Hicks rules!!!

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Message 13 of 410 (456916)
02-20-2008 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Crooked to what standard
02-20-2008 5:28 PM


I'm saying that the stars had to be created moving and far apart.
Isn't it more likely that you are misunderstanding the Big Bang?

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Message 31 of 410 (457004)
02-21-2008 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by ICANT
02-21-2008 9:52 AM


Re: Re-Start of Race
If all mass and energy was compressed into such a small area, why didn't everything start at the same place?
Not all stars started at the same place because they weren't stars until a relatively long time after the Big Bang.
But how do you get the volume of mass and energy that is in the universe in something so small?
By approaching infinite density.

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Message 42 of 410 (457029)
02-21-2008 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by ICANT
02-21-2008 10:58 AM


Re: Re-density
Catholic Scientist writes:
By approaching infinite density.
Don't black holes have infinite density?
You do realize that there is a difference between approaching infinity and actually being infinity, don't you?
And even if black holes have infinite density, that doesn't mean that the singularity was a black hole.
You see, apples and firetrucks are both red, but they're not the same thing either.

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Message 183 of 410 (457978)
02-26-2008 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by ICANT
02-26-2008 4:17 PM


Re: The singularity is not real.
If it was there prior to T=O which is as far as GR can go, then it had to exist in a state of timelessness.
It didn't have too. There could be time that is less than zero... negative time, if you will.
So if it had been there in a timeless state why all of a sudden did it start to expand?
You seem to be thinking of the singularity as hanging out for a while within some "place" and then one day it just starts expanding. This is not within the Big Bang model.
There has to be a cause, as there was a timeless nothingness except the minature universe.
Perhaps the sigularity didn't exist for any amount of time and the universe has been exanding for all of time.
Same thing if it was sitting there in Hawking's imaginary time why did it all of a sudden start to expand?
Perhaps a 'different' universe existed before T=0, which was collapsing into a singularity, and then immediatly after reaching a singularity began to exand again into the universe we are experience this time around.
The point is, there did not have to be a cause.
Besides, even if there did have to be a cuase, that cause doesn't have to be god.

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Message 185 of 410 (457983)
02-26-2008 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by ICANT
02-26-2008 4:55 PM


Re: The singularity is not real.
What caused the minature universe to start to expand?
I don't know.

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Message 187 of 410 (457988)
02-26-2008 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Chiroptera
02-26-2008 5:16 PM


Re: The singularity is not real.
Anyway, even if there is a t=0 point in time, there probably wasn't anything before t=0. Not even nothing.
Wha-wha-what! Es imposible!
If there was not nothing, then it must have been God.
[/sarcasm]

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