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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Paul,
Paulk writes: The big problem is that stars did NOT begin at the same point. Paul you really got me confused with this one. Son Goku told me HereSon Goku writes: 13.7 billion years ago the whole universe was about the size of a pea. If all mass and energy was compressed into such a small area, why didn't everything start at the same place? If it was under so much pressure how did it get out? I have a problem with the universe being the size of a pea maybe some of you fellows can help my understanding a little. Mass and energy can not be created. They can change places.But how do you get the volume of mass and energy that is in the universe in something so small? Could someone, anybody, everybody please explain? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi cavediver,
cavediver writes: Because stars didn't begin to form until 100s of millions of years after the big bang. But if their energy and mass was in that small pea sized universe and began to expand even though they were not formed until several million years later didn't they start at the same place? Just in a different form than we see them today. Would not all the elements be travling at the same rate of expansion and if not expansion would not be true? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: By approaching infinite density. Don't black holes have infinite density? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Taz writes: I think I know why you are confused. Most lay people think matter is solid in the conventional sense. Taz I was thinking of it being pure energy since they can change forms. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Taz writes: I think I know why you are confused. Most lay people think matter is solid in the conventional sense. Do you know the answer to the question I asked as your babbling did not come close to a yes or no. The question was, does a black have infinite density? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Sorry I was running in and out of the house trying to please the missus in the yard work.
Taz writes: I'm trying to get you to understand the concept of infinity and approaching infinity. I don't think I have a problem with infinity as I believe in an infinite universe. But maybe I do. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: You're still trying to comprehend this as an "explosion," like a bomb. No I am trying to think of it as baking a cake in a cone type baking pan. A cone is the normal analogy given for the expansion of the big bang. In doing that everything would be in the bottom. But it could only produce so much. It would be limited to the amount of volume of the cake dough in the bottom of the baking pan. Just as the universe would be limited to the volume of pure energy that could be contained in something the size of a pea. The balloon don't fly because everything would be getting farther apart and it is not. Galxayes have colided and are going to colide. I don't think the balloon is a good example at all. It creates too many problems. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Paul,
Paulk writes: THere were no stars in that volume. Stars did not exist then. Matter didn't exist then. Stars formed much later. Son Goku told me HereSon Goku writes: 13.7 billion years ago the whole universe was about the size of a pea. I am having a real problem here. Son says the whole universe was about the size of a pea. That means everything in the universe had to be in some form at the point Son is speaking about. Mass and energy can not be created so all the mass and energy had to be there in the form of Pure Energy. I was suggesting to Son Here ICANT writes: If we go back in time to T=0 we have a mass between 5 and 7 billion light years in diameter. I have no idea what shape it would be. But I would assume it was probably pretty much the shape of the universe today. Son was assuring me the universe was about the size of a pea. I am just trying to sort out what I thought I had learned here. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Thanks Taz,
That sounds a lot better. Although the ants would not be affected by the laws of physics. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi cavediver,
cavediver writes: Conclusion: our pea is actually rather uncramped... How much gravitational pull would be necessary to suck the universe into something the size a of pea? God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : No reason given. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Thanks cavediver,
I understand what it would take for it to revert back. I was asking how much gravitational pull it took in the beginning to hold everything in that small space. Or is there another solution? What held all this energy together under the extreme pressure it had to be under. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: Well, it didn't really "hold together," now did it. It expanded, literally for all of time. My question was: "I was asking how much gravitational pull it took in the beginning to hold everything in that small space." With no answer from the experts I will try to answer my own question. It would take an infinite gravitational field. Since this pea sized object with its infinite gravitational field prior to the Big Bang would be trillions, and trillions of times more massive in volume than any of the known black holes (all of them were there also they are part of the universe) from which nothing can escape not even light. Would you like to explain how the universe was able to escape from this infinite gravitational field? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi onifre, welcome to EvC
onifre writes: All the matter that is present today in this universe was created after the first star was created so you don't need to imagine this universe compressed to the size of a pea. Since matter and energy can not be created, I assume you are referring to energy being converted into matter. So you have not eliminated the necessity for everything you see and everything you don't see in the universe being present at inception.It would just be in a different form. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Thanks Taz,
Taz writes: The more important point is I can already see you inserting god in this gap already. Go ahead. Noone will stop you. Sorry to dissapoint you Taz. I am not discussing the origin of this pea sized universe. That would be when I would get to the God thing. Right now my thirst is in my mind and I can't find the answers to these very important questions. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi cavediver,
cavediver writes: The Universe is not some object that is attracted by gravity! I think you are talking about the universe after the Big Bang correct me if I am wrong. I am talking about the pea sized universe Son told me existed at T=O. That means the entire universe we see today and all the things we don't see that are yet to be discovered, was packed into something about the size of a pea. Unless matter and energy can be created from the absence of anything, is this possible? Our sun is a massive ball of energy. Then when you consider the 100 billion galaxies all the stars and suns that is a lot of energy. The core of our earth is energy. For all the other galaxies and gravity to work in the universe there has got to be unimaginable energy at work. Now pack all that in something the size of a pea. What kind of force would it take to accomplish that feat. If something was that strong how could anything escape? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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