Universe Race

there is no bang without an always was energy for it to "bang" from.if you look at genesis of all things, like big bang, you know because of evolution that at some point inn time, time will equal ZERO. it is inevitable.now because of no time of any relevance, the energy is singular, with no two points, but just multiple parts of a single self that existed for all eternity, with nothing but itself. and from it all things came.T=0 argument: what if it did evolve from another state? ok whats before that. oh! another evolution. k before that. before that. yadda yadda forever 20 billion years of before thats or never ending, eventually it will find T=0. the first of all evolutions which is no evolutions, but its Genesis state. time= zero is inevitable.now, examine T=0.EVERYONE i know on this site just Say's: we cant say nothing about true T=0 because all math breaks down.duh.so what does THAT mean? it means your ignoring the greatest truth of all. T=0 is inevitable, and because of what is now we can say SOME things DEFINATLY about the energy that MUST be present.ie: energy only comes from energy. true.if you say "no" : if no energy, there's nothing there, nothing is, and you cant believe with any faith you are, start taking psycho drugs immediately and meet a psychiatrist 5 times a day or become committed to some hospital, because you are a schizophrenic.ok T=0 energy definitely.now ask yourselves: chaotic? ordered? intelligent? not intelligent?and remember: NO OUTSIDE INTERACTIONS. everything that IS is in ONE spot. TIMELESS. SINGULAR. it came form nothing. only it is.and i ask you, without intelligence, how could it self evolve? hmm?look. ive been here hashing this for awhile, and you are either super arrogant, or super blind to NOT see that the UNIVERSE and all in it, could come from a non directed source.(looking at a single source with no outside interactions in a timeless state. its absurd by all math to even consider it.here's the truth of the big bang:take a sheet of paper, label it "existence/singularity/God. (all synonyms for the same body)in the center draw a circle. that circle is the known universe. shrink it, existence fills up the hole. all the energy folds back into the main body. and then only the main body is. (existence)if you want a more detailed description of this bang as i suggest it, then go to this link:http://EvC Forum: We know there's a God because... -->EvC Forum: We know there's a God because...

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

its inevitable. you just choose to ignore the evidence for your dogmatic views.the end of it is we dont know? thats like saying "Goddidit" so we may as well not look for the answer. my imagination? so all the laws of science is imagination? its observation. by scientific reason. its the truth, you just cant handle it. question for reasonable people with reasonable intelligence to examine the evidence. if you dont fit the bill, just ignore it, it is beyond your comprehension, or your schitzophrentic. maybe in your universe. but true reality is what it is whether you like it or not. if tomorrow we find more evidence through technology, then so be it. but by all technology math and understanding and all observation of today, this is the truth. it explains the vacuum of space, existing, black holes, and the purpose of existing.i don't expect you to understand. but if you stop and quit arguing a position, and LOOK at what is telling you, you'll discover there can be no other conclusion.unless your schizophrenic, in which case; yes your being observed. no it isn't me. if you wait a few minutes the voice in your head will tell you what the truth is so you can have coffee with your imaginary friend bob who doesn't exist.Edited by tesla, : html

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

T=0 is a location. WHAT is there?ALL energy of the universe with NO outside interactions. NOWHERE will you find ANYTHING that can evolve with NO outside interactions.now, what can you say of that?energy? HAS TO BE.order chaos? : dunno.how did it evolve from a timeless state? directed? not directed?remember: NO OUTSIDE INTERACTIONS. and it DID EVOLVE.if ordered: its intelligent by all math. why? it evolved. we are proof.if chaos, and it became ordered structure: it MUST be intelligent to have maintained order.FACT: at T=0 , was energy, that had intelligence of some form to direct an evolution within itself which all the universe came from.act, with no outside interactions, but based by belief that it WAS : FAITH. no.. you are IGNORING the fact that nature was ESTABLISHED by a energy source that JUST WAS and had no outside interactions.forgive me, im tiring of all the ignorance of so very intelligent people with so simple and easy to understand truth that has sat before their eyes for so long, but because people dont LIKE the truth, they cannot even stop and EXAMINE it, and SOME claim to be scientists. I've had a rough day at work, probably shouldn't be posting because i weary of DOGMATIC IGNORANCE that scientist choose by choice by refusing to examine evidence.i will not post any more tonight, for i am starting on wine, and i got to roll some cigarettes. i will pray God forgive me for any anger i might invoke, and to open at least ONE persons eyes to actually READ and be able to understand the simple text and EXAMINE it for the truth.Gods will be done, so be it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

because we know what is, we can indirectly examine the before.T=0 is inevitable. eventually, all time, all evolution, was in its genesis always was state.now examine what CAN be said of this.energy? yes.now view all math, universe is expanding, universe shrinks, where did the energy go? back to T=0, the genesis state.so what can be said of the genesis state?energy? ABSOLUTE. if no energy you have nothing nothing could be, nothing would be, and you do not exist.ok energy yes, chaotic? (complete disorder)if chaotic, there is intelligence within the energy to direct it. why? because by all observation : order cannot exist on top of chaos in the natural order unless directed. only by direction is order established on top of chaos, and chaos can exist only inside order.what about order?there is NO outside interactions. PERIOD. at T=0 there is only ONE energy source. and after T=0 is the first evolution. if the energy was timeless and ordered, it MUST be intelligent to maintain order with no outside interactions.to answer your question : HOW DOES THIS MEAN BY NOT EXAMINING T=0 THAT ITS LIKE SAYING GODDIDIT?because, your refusing to examine the evidence of what CAN be said of T=0 because it shows God. and you dont like it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

look yall. i sometimes drink. i smoke cigarettes. but i KNOW God IS.it isn't what goes into a man that defiles them, its what comes from your hearts. if God was willing to forgive and help and love ME. he will you.look back to my analogy and understand the big bang. existence only is because of the faith of the first energy.take a peice of paper, write on it : existencedraw your circle in the center to represent the "known" universe.(by the way, do you even KNOW the SICE of the known universe? you should Google a planatery and stellar scale)now shrink that to nothing, all that is left is "existence".its a fold. like a black hole, the production of matter form the genesis energy created the vacuum and "apparent" space between matter. because matter is conserved energy. the very same energy that "was" at T=0. but it only exists within the body of the T=0 energy.blow up a baloon. stick it in water it shrinks the deeper it gets. bring it to the surface and it expands. matter production is whats causing the expansion. and the production is within the body of the T=0 energy.it explains black holes, it explains the possible other universes and heavens within the main body, and although we cant say how many times God chose to evolve, and how many universes: T=0 is inevitable eventually. and at true T=0 you can understand the name of God which is "existence" which could not "exist" unless something just WAS. and an evolution from that point is an act of intelligence no matter order or chaos, by ALL math of science.this IS the truth. you only need examine it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

stick to science, then when you understand that without direction the universe including you and your snowflake, are impossible; study the religions. you'll see only one makes sense with what the reality of T=0 is. with no outside interactions, there would be no snowflake. the snowflake is possible because of outside interactions. and water is an ordered structure, if not order, it would not maintain form. it is a beautiful representation of the natural "order" however. no, it was internal direction that created an order that would interact within the body by set laws of the natural "order". without the first action, no other interactions are possible. the first action was a self evolution of a singular energy with no "outside" interactions. thats how you know it must have been intelligent. it impossible without direction. you seem to be stuck on the fact something can come from nothing and thats the same as saying you might not exist. WRONG you have not examined what i said, or have poor reading comprehension.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

what is wrong with you? are you stupid by choice or just too ignorant to understand what i wrote? science proves God IS 100%.read the bible and you'll find out he cares. because the Hebrew God is/was the true God. Jesus literally was the consciousness of the T=0 energy in a man. and it fits the science of what God is. but if you do not believe in God; why read it? funny how you ignored the fact the natural balances were set to behave that way by the intelligent energy that existed at T=0. geez.wake up. im gonna prescribe that medicine for you yet. then get your head out of your ASS AND examine t=0 FOR THE TRUTH.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

blah blah blah.like most you take what i say and read only what you want to hear. i was banned unjustly before, so why not ban me justly?i have brought you a truth. and your an arrogant stone. but i love you. and dont want to see you cut off from existence. but as it is YOUR will to deny the body you live in. SO BE IT.Gods will be done forever. AMEN.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

well the wine was good. the posting probably wasn't lol.larni,my friend, what is being ignored is the T=0 energy.at T=0 all the energy of the universe, all the energy of anything in existence, existed in a singular timeless state.thats what is being ignored. not that the energy is there, but what can be said of an energy in that form.massive amounts of matter, each with specific behaviors, even biological matter with a consciousness, all this spawned from that energy.in a singular state, with no outside interactions; an evolution was a act of itself, to evolve itself. it would have to be intelligent.thats what you, and everyone else is ignoring.do the math, you tell me how it would be possible; with no outside interactions.zero other energies. zero environment. only an energy. and nothing but that energy. in a timeless state that always was.do you hear me now?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

finally i was hoping to see you here.energy is a generic term.light is a product of, or is, energy.matter contains a conserved energy (nuclear reactions are a break down of an atom causing a release)this means all matter is conserved energy, (still energy)radiation is energy.when water spills down a waterfall, it is a powerful force, and sometimes called "energy" of water.but energy is like electricity. a transfer of substance or power between two forces.we see the effects of energy, but we can only see the energy indirectly, or the reaction given off from the act between two forces.the T=0 energy is a substance of free energy with no two points. we cannot view it(yet), but we know it is there because all is.the universe was created from and within this body of energy. when the energy became matter in the closed body of existence, an "apparent" space was formed between matter, and the production of the spaces became a vacuum because of the closed body that surrounds it, and the force of the pure energy when it pulled itself together via the strong force.the strong force is the same energy of T=0, like all the energy of the universe is from the same energy of t=0. when matter was produced, it became a gateway for energies to travel through.ie: kinetic force, speeds through matter. with constant striking, constant kinetic energy travels outward through matter. the strong force is the force utilized from and by the t=0 energy that hold matter together. gravity is just vibration or echo of the strong force in atoms reverberating through matter like kinetic energy, but towards the T=0 energy. the T=0 energy "calls" all matter back towards itself. but things of matter cannot pass through the matter back into the main body. the matter blocks it. but when matter is disassembled, it can flow back to the main body (if the main body allows it, which cannot be said either way with our limited understanding)your not getting this tho ill bet.did you read the paper analogy? and the balloon analogy?do you understand space folding back towards the T=0 body?to answer your question as easily as i can about energy: if there is no energy to measure, there is no substance. because all is, and is of substance, then it can only come from some "substance" (not matter, but a force with no outside forces, that was able to adapt its singular force, to become other forces that work within itself in harmony)just ask the questions my friend, i dont expect you to understand all of this this way, because its hard for me to put in words yet. but keep digging. and if your good at math you'll be able to see the truth in it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

string theory.larni..lol. ok. whatever.string theory is the most abused power of science in accepting unprovable, illogical, theory, just because they cant figure it out.what I'm proposing is based on all logic of reality, what reality means, and where this reality could come from by all observation of tested proven laws of science.ie: T=0 inevitable point in existence.t=0 must be energy because all energies came form it.timeless energy means no evolution as of yet in the state it would be in when timeless, which means singular. (singularity)singularity means all laws and math of science become irrelevant.therefore: only by what is now, can we say anything about what it is, or is not.energy can be chaotic, or ordered in appearance, but to become an established natural order such as our universe, with a large variety of complexities, from biological matter, to star systems; a singular energy with nothing else to react with to become such, with no other variables but itself, means it could only have the first evolution by direction.anyone i ask, that if i took a computers base atomic makeup, and put it in a box, and waited for 3 billion years, would the computer become a workable computer with no direction has said: nope. impossible odds. gives to much power to chance.so why does anyone think that an unchanged singular pure energy with no outside interactions, could become the complexity of an entire universe with no direction?its foolish.do the math.no direction: impossible odds.direction: 100% chance.think about it larni. its your life. your choice. but i wish to discuss expansion of the universe on this thread, and until you understand t=0, there's no hope to explain the expansion. because the expansion, and the vacuum of space are fully relevant and dependant on the T=0 energy.the paper analogy i gave you shows a body that has a certain density of its makeup: existence.when it becomes matter, it condenses that energy, which leaves the apparent "space" and the space is filled with the waves and radiation and other energies that flow freely between the space in the body, but like air, it is never empty. the space production created a vacuum because of the condensing being done inside of the body. the more matter produced, the greater the distances of the "space" thats your expansion.draw the circle in the paper in the center, which is the known universe, when it was just a dot on the paper, there was less matter, but a super condensed matter that expanded. more matter was produced, and the space grew larger that was/is in our "reality".black holes, i believe are not points of matter that drew together to form the hole, i believe it is points of matter production from the main body of existence, that when at a certain time or level, will go boom, and split apart. creating new galaxies.lets look at your own body larni for an example.you have a body that requires an atmosphere to hold it together. too light of atmosphere, your body expands, your ears pop. same concept. but the atmosphere of our bodies is the atmosphere of this planet. the atmosphere of our universe is the atmosphere of the T=0 energy, which is existence. because without that, nothing would be. it has no environment, it is the first environment. nothing outside it, and always was.this is what all science points to. you can test it, you can use relativity on it. you'll find the vacuum, you'll find the black holes. you'll find expansion. and you can make a mock model of this with water and water balloons.enclose a tank. and fill some balloons with different liquids. the heavier liquids will float lower in the water, some may sink all the way to the bottom, the ones with lighter liquids will float near the top, ones with air will float to the very top. but each addition regardless, will cause the area of the tank to expand.(if you didn't overfill the enclosed tank, in which case introduction will just increase the pressureif you could make a light vacuum, and fill balloons with different gasses, and introduce the balloons without destroying the vacuum in any way, i wonder how the balloons and the vacuum would react? the only problem with that being a true test, is that each addition of matter means a slight lessening of the area around the tank which contains the vacuum, so that the vacuum would retain the same level of vacuum at each introduction, because each introduction is an equal taking of the area outside the vacuum in which the matter comes from in equal measure.i wish i could just tell you and others larni, and you accept and understand: God IS. and only WAS and IS because of faith, and therefore with no faith in him, which is the body we live it, you will be like cancer to him, and must be cut off so you dont poison the perfect body we were created in, because God is wise, and because he loves you, he gave us all medicine to eat and drink, that we might come to faith, an be forgiven of our denial of the body, and yet live, in him, even after the body has long gone. but you will not believe it. because men will not believe the truth if it is contrary to what they wish to believe in their hearts for their own selfish reasons.it saddens and scares me. because i have been shown and given things to give to you, and others here, that are beyond me to give, but have com from him because i deny my own will to serve his, but not perfectly. so i still grow and wish that all can understand, that others will turn to the Lord who IS true and real, whom all things came by, and will only continue to be by. that even greater things will he do through those whom he calls, but they will not listen.what i give you i know is true because where it has come from, but do not take my word for it, test it. find the truth. THEN you will know.Gods will be done. so be it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

welcome to the evc i have. you wont believe mine. so do yours. ill give you the variables. read what i have said. they are there.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

the math is for the singularity.no outside interactions, and a singular timeless energy. evolves.by chance "math here" variables: chaotic, ordered
environment: nonechance of evolution of a timeless singular energy no other variables (by chance): (odds here)same energy: timeless, no outside interactions, variables: chaotic or ordered, no environment, evolution with direction(intelligence):odds: 100%

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

larni!!!there theories! and incomplete truths.im not dealing with something you can go find in a book. you need to think about it. the books and past learning's are guides. we have a better understanding today than what they did of science in the past. use that knowledge as guides, apply it to the reality of today, and look for the truth of reality.if we were debating a science that was understood, it would have been a short debate.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

so, your a physicists, but have low reading comprehension?lets see. do this math fallacycop:choose a singular item with no multiplicity, an atom has points to measure from, so you "see" them indirectly.but a force with no two points in no environment, cannot be seen (yet)take a singular item, with ZERO environment. and do the math on a chance evolution.then do the math on the same singular item, with a self directed evolution (intelligence)what are the odds?chance:?directed by self intelligence: ?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides