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Message 1 of 410 (455793)
02-13-2008 7:29 PM


Imagine a race. The track is huge, hundreds of thousands of lanes wide. There are only four rules:
  • You must start on the starting line (which is the same for everybody)
  • You must start when the gun sounds
  • You must stay within your lane (or run in a strait line, for the course is strait)
  • You must run at the exact same speed throught the race, which is determined for you
    So, the gun sounds. The moment after that, everybody seems to be in one 'group'. Ten seconds later, you notice that a few people are pulling ahead while others are at the back. A minute later, there would be, say, three distict groups, the 'fast' the 'moderate' and the 'slow' people. There may not be any major distinguishing feature between the two. Ten minutes later (it's a long race; we assume that the racers won't get tired, hungry, or need to use the bathroom... for the sake of the illustration), there'll be a wide differance. You'd instantly be able to tell who'd get first (remember they have to run at a constant speed), second, hundredth, thousands, etc. simply because they can't speed up or slow down to change their place.
    Three billion years later (the racers don't die, either), you'd have a really wide range of people, spread out over hundreds of billions of miles on the track. However, the predictions made on who's first and who'd third are still the same now, only now there's more distance between the racers to show their places.
    You'd not expect the racers to switch places, no matter how many billions of years you give it, right. No racer would pass another racer.
    Now, let's switch it up a bit. Now, instead of a starting line, there's a starting point. All of the track eminate from this point. The gun sounds. Still, after millions of years, no racer will pass another in their distance from the starting point.
    And yet, when we look up at the stars, we see clusters of stars that are moving at vastly differant speeds, but together. Sure, you could argue, the fast stars would catch up with the slow ones and make a cluster-like appearance.
    But all of the stars started at the same point, right? If not, the Big Bang theory is wrong. So, if they started at the same point, the fast stars would quickly get ahead of the slow ones and never have to 'catch up' with anything.
    So, because we can see these clusters, the stars must have been created moving and distanced. Then, and only then, could fast stars catch up with slow ones. However, that proves God exists.
    What do you have to say to this, all of you evolutionists out there?

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    Crooked to what standard
    Member (Idle past 5873 days)
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    Message 3 of 410 (455990)
    02-14-2008 9:36 PM
    Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
    02-14-2008 9:55 AM


    I see your point. But I can't think of a way to include gravity into this analogy. If you could suggest a way, I'd be happy to do so.

    Iesous
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    Message 8 of 410 (456120)
    02-15-2008 3:13 PM
    Reply to: Message 6 by PaulK
    02-15-2008 8:59 AM


    PaulK writes:
    According to actual cosmology the first stars did not form until some time after the Big Bang - and stars have gone on forming to the present day. So the analogy fails badly even there.
    I got lazy and didn't want to continue repeating 'all of the cosmological gases and matter produced at the Big Bang', and simply summarized it with the word 'stars'.
    And yes, according to you guys, they all DID originate at the same point.

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    Message 12 of 410 (456915)
    02-20-2008 5:28 PM
    Reply to: Message 10 by onifre
    02-20-2008 2:17 PM


    onifre writes:
    Please explain. I'd rather reply to your explanation than to your analogy.
    I'm saying that the stars had to be created moving and far apart.

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    Message 18 of 410 (456949)
    02-20-2008 9:02 PM
    Reply to: Message 7 by Rahvin
    02-15-2008 11:27 AM


    Rahvin writes:
    There isn't really a "center" to the Universe that we've been able to determine, and the evidence doesn't support the model your analogy illustrates.
    It seems that there would be a center of the universe. It seems that the center of the universe would be the exact spot the Big Bang happened.

    Iesous
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    Theos
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    Uios
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    Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

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    Message 19 of 410 (456950)
    02-20-2008 9:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 17 by Rahvin
    02-20-2008 8:50 PM


    Rahvin writes:
    Stars were not created in the Big Bang. Matter didn't even form right away.
    If matter didn't form from the Big Bang, then what was the point of the Big Bang? I read that the BB created both matter and antimatter.

    Iesous
    Christos
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    Theos
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    Uios
    Soter
    Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

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