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Al Barrs
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Message 110 of 141 (479039)
08-23-2008 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by John Paul
01-08-2002 12:50 PM


Creation, Evolution and the Bible
The long running discussion and debate over whether creation or evolution produced the earth as we know it today, and all that is in it, will never end so long as there are those who continue to postulate that the earth and universe are old or new and that we know we are today what God was (image) in the beginning. I often hear that “faith” is the answer. Maybe, but evidence and thinking out-of-the-box is something that we all should consider. God did give us a fertile mind, which He expected us to use. So to the attempts to prove the age of the Genesis timeframe has been impossible to resolve. We earthlings have no idea what God’s calendar or timeframe was. The author(s) of Genesis stipulated that the heavens, the earth and all in it were created in 6 days by God. That’s a fact. But do we understand from where those words to the Genesis author(s) originated? Was God speaking to them from the Earth or from his place in stellar space or wherever He resides? There are several problems with ancient and modern day perspectives about all of these events and occurrences. My perception follows and is not intended to be used in any way to sway any person’s beliefs or thoughts. These are solely my thoughts . take them or leave them.
1) God created the heavens, earth and all in it in 6 days the author(s) of Genesis wrote. First, we mortal humans, even today, don’t know what the duration of 1 day in God’s timeframe was when Genesis was written or when God undertook to create the Earth and its entire splendor. What we do know is that time is not always the same in the eye of the beholder. It depends upon where the individual is at the time. Time and space is a changing illusion. In other words, for example, I am 69 years of age here on Earth, but in Pluto time, to keep my hypothetical comparison in our Solar System, I am less than 2-1/2 years of age, since it takes Pluto 30 Earth years to circle our Sun. Suppose I dictated my memoirs to a scribe (author), to be read by my descendants thousands of years from today, of the many things that I have accomplished in my 69 years of life as an education and training administrator and corporate T&D director. What would they think if they had since migrated to Pluto and colonized the planet? First, they would be thinking in Pluto years, right. My descendants on Pluto would think that I lived to be less than 2-1/2 years old in Pluto years. Wow, what an accomplishment for a 2-1/2 year old! Like Noah who the Bible says lived to 900+ Earth years, I would be considered very young but on Earth would be a Senior Citizen. Since writing was invented long after The Creation mankind has viewed Biblical writings, as well we should, as the word of God yet they and we perceive everything we read in the Bible in our own Earthly timeframe, not in God’s timeframe. Why would God think in our Earthling timeframe and calendar in the first place when he hadn't created anything before he made the decision to form Earth. There wasn't even day and night or the heavens. Our Earth calendar isn’t all that old and has changed countless times, so why would God use it? It didn't exist before the beginning of the Earth's formation. In the first place we don’t know where God resides or where his office is located nor do we know how far away from Earth God’s residence and office lies. Simply put, we don’t have any knowledge of what 6 or 7 days was in God’s timeframe when he said he formed the Earth, man and all that is in it. Like my example above 1 day on God's Calendar may have equaled millions of years by our current Earth calendar and timeframe. We simply do not have the answers. The further away from Earth the shorter the time interval would have been and is still today. One day in God's timeframe may have equaled millions of days in our Earth timeframe.
2) Second, the author(s) of Genesis wrote that God created (formed) man in his image. OK, but do we know what God’s image was billions of Earth years ago on God’s calendar? A close look at our Universe, Galaxy and beyond quickly bears out the view that solar systems, for example, are duplicates of the smallest bit of matter, the atom. We know now that everything on the Earth including humans, animals and vegetation is made up of atoms using the same structural form as our Solar System and millions of other solar systems in outer space. Coupled with the fact that we have no ability to say for certain what the “image” of God was at the time of The Creation. And, we don’t know what God’s image is today. We can only assume and we know what assuming does to us .
3) Third, what we do know is that the dilemma is unsolvable unless we look at both the creation and God’s calendar and timeframe as scientific evidence has shown us to date with an open mind and an out-of-the-box attitude.
” If we look at the creation of Earth in 6 days in terms of God’s calendar or timeframe we can easily understand how God created the Earth within His timeframe of 6 days. One year on Earth’s calendar does not necessarily equal 1 year on God’s calendar. In fact, 1 year on God’s calendar may equal millions of years on Earth’s calendar.
” If we look at the structure of the systems within space and the systems on Earth we can easily understand what God’s image was at the creation of the Earth and all that is in it. And, that does not include the Earth interpretation “image” to be most anything. I have an image in my mind of what a spaceship might look like in one thousand years but that doesn’t mean I know what a spaceship will actually be like in one thousand years.
In summary, the important point about these topics that I have addressed here is that the timeframe and calendar of God is virtual proof that there is a God and he created the Earth and all that is in it. Otherwise, how would early mortal Hebrew authors of Genesis and other books of the Bible write what they were given in forms that do not appear to fit the Earths timeframe or calendar? There is a disconnect. Was this God's way of telling us that the Bible is truth and a paraphrase of what was conveyed to the Biblical authors? It is obvious to me that they were writing down exactly what they were communicated by God or his Angels. Based on these Biblical dates and time I sincerely believe God, whatever his image and calendar timeframe was, did create the Earth and everything in it, but he also created change and gave humans an analytical mind to improve, call it “evolution” if one must, the Earth and all that is in it. I call it Creation with built in change factors.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added some more blank lines.

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Al Barrs
Junior Member (Idle past 5695 days)
Posts: 2
Joined: 08-23-2008


Message 113 of 141 (479045)
08-23-2008 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by bluescat48
08-23-2008 7:22 PM


Re: Creation, Evolution and the Bible
Don't forget that it was mortal human being who authored Genesis and put it into a very condensed format to fit it into the Bible. What is time when you own it? twelve billion years is a tiny dot in comparison to outer space time. Answer this, is there an end to outer space? Can it go on forever? If 'yes' what does it go into? If it does end, what is holding it up? Is our solar system just an atom within God?

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