Where did the speck/singularity/thing come from?

Crash, stay on topic please.

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You dont know what happen post big bang either...its all speculation! Please stop acting as though we know what was happening (in your mind) 64 billion years ago...we dont know for sure what was going on right here on earth 10,000 years ago. Pleeese!

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I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but YES, we can actually observed what was happening millions and millions of years ago by observing distant stars, galaxies, and nebulae. (just a quick note, by current theories the universe is about 13-14 billion years old). This is because light takes time to travel long distances. If a star is 1 billion light years away, then the light that reaches the earth is a reflection of what was happening 1 billion years ago. It is comparable to time travel in a way, although we aren't able to actually interact with the past in a way that will affect the present. Within these observations is the cosmic microwave background. These are the electromagnetic emmissions left over from the Big Bang, and we can observe them NOW. So, yes, we can experience the Big Bang in the present, and form theories that explain these observations in a way that incorporates all of the data. The result is the current Big Bang Theory. As new information comes in, the theory may have to be adjusted, but for the most part it is pretty well supported.

The earth is only around 6,000 years old not billions at least that's my opinion. written texts only go back to around that age and no further. The giant sequoia is one of the oldest living trees we can find we actually have never found a dead one we are the only ones to kill them that I know of not fires nothing but they only go back to the time thought to be when Noah's flood happened.ALSOI - STAR CLUSTERSThere are many star clusters in the universe. Each one is a circular ball composed of billions upon billions of stars, each with its own orbit. Science tells us that some of these clusterswith their starsare moving so rapidly, together, in a certain direction that it should be impossible for them to remain together if the universe were very old.2 - LARGE STARSSome stars are so enormous in diameter that it is thought that they could not have existed for even a few million years, otherwise their initial larger mass would have been impossibly large. These massive stars radiate energy very rapidlysome as much as 100,000 to 1 million times more rapidly than our own sun. On the hydrogen basis of stellar energy, they could not have contained enough hydrogen to radiate at such fast rates for long ages, because their initial mass would have had to be far too gigantic.3 - HIGH-ENERGY STARSSome stars are radiating energy so intensely that they could not possibly have survived for a long period of time. This includes the very bright O and B class stars, the Wolf-Rayfert stars, and the P Cygni stars. Radiation levels of 100,000 to 1 million times as much as our own sun are emitted by these stars! Yet, by the standard solar energy theory, they do not contain enough hydrogen to perpetuate atomic fusion longer than approximately 50,000 to 300,000 years.4 - BINARY STARSMany of the stars in the sky are binaries: two stars circling one another. But many of these binary systems point us to a young age for the universe, because they consist of theoretically "young" and "old" stars circling one another.5 - HYDROGEN IN UNIVERSEAccording to one theory of solar energy, hydrogen is constantly being converted into helium as stars shine. But hydrogen cannot be made by converting other elements into it. *Fred Hoyle, a leading astronomer, maintains that, if the universe were as old as Big Bang theorists contend, there should be little hydrogen in it. It would all have been transformed into helium by now. Yet stellar spectra reveal an abundance of hydrogen in the stars, therefore the universe must be youthful.

I got this information from Page not found – Evolution-Facts

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where can i see the facts to back up what you have stated?

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What will you scientist do if one day we event a way to view previous time as it acutaly happened only to find that god created the universe and that alot of things we thaught we knew about history were false.

You are suspended for awhile. I will leave you with Questions and suggestions.This is:
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2) plagerised from Page not found – Evolution-Facts
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you contintue to make unsupported assertions and don't respond to critisms of what you've posted before.

I don't think that will happen, but if it did, scientists would first investigate the experiment to see if it wasn't faked, and if it wasn't faked, they would revise some of their theories, as has been done many times before. We don't still believe diseases are caused by demons, do we?If it turned out that the universe had been created only 6000 or so years ago, most of our knowledge of physics would still hold true, it would just become apparent that the universe had been created to give the appearance of an age of about 13.7 billion years.This would probably not suddenly prove the Christian view of creationism, and it would probably not prove any other religion's account of creation that I know of. It would probably be a different creator, and any human knowledge of him/her/it would be altered beyond recognition by a 6000 long game of Telephone.Evolution would continue to be largely true, because it happens today and has been observed both in the laboratory and in the wild. We would still know what the creator intended us to see in the fossil record, even though it would be wrong.The Big Bang theory would become one of many examples of how the creator chose to deceive us in every way possible. There is great evidence that evolution has been occuring for billions of years, that the universe was created billions of years ago, et cetera. The creator that we would see if we could look into the past like that would be seen putting down all sorts of clues to cover up his own existence, burying fossils in a specific order, making layers in ice and mud, adding specific amounts of carbon 14 and other radioisotopes into rocks and fossils, and so on. Much of the science that we will have learned will be indicative of a god who doesn't want to leave evidence of anything similar to what happens in the Bible.

Change our minds.See, unlike you dogmatic book worshippers, science-minded folks have the luxury of being able to change our minds about stuff when it turns out we were wrong. Whereas you folks have no recourse but self-deception when it turns out that what you thought was "eternal truth" is actually bullshit.Tentativity means never having to say "how can I be wrong when I know I'm right?" You should try it.

It would, of course, depend on what exactly was shown. Many people believe that GOD was actually the motivator of the Big Bang. If that were shown to be the truth, nothing would change at all.But suppose that same experiment shows that Jesus never lived?So such an experiment would have little effect on science, afterall, everything is only tentative in science and if proven wrong, you simply try to determine a more accurate theory. But it might have major effects on religion.

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courtesy of nasa and wmap microwave radiation background probe
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0302/galaxy_wmap.jpgThis picture of radiation from 13.7 billion years ago shows when the plasma first coalesced to allow light to travel."beware when gazing into the abyss lest the abyss gaze back" This message has been edited by RAZD, 08-29-2004 10:15 PM

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(here I go again, mouth open up...here comes foot)One common view point is the cyclical nature of the big bang. It expands as far as the momentum will carry it and then it begins a reverse process of all matter merging back into a single mass, crashbangcrashbang I think someone called it.Another view point is that it just is what it is. No cause nor sequence of events just a bang from a point singularity.Some feel that the big bang and point singularity were God’s way of creating the universe. Seven days may just be a figurative representation of how God created a planet able to support life.Me, I feel that the point singularity that created our pocket of spacetime existed inside a larger pocket of spacetime and that pocket itself existed inside a larger pocket of space time as part of an infinite chain that goes inwards and outwards. Our big bang was nothing more then the collision of two subatomic particles in a much much much larger frame of reference. I believe it because to me it makes more sense then the other 3 options.This message has been edited by nipok, 08-30-2004 12:52 AM

would those be extra-dimensional shells to this universe?you may want to check out ekpyrosis, based on 3D+T membranes ('branes) in a higher dimensional superuniverse and string theory. it also explains dark matter and energy effects ...The Big Bang: What Really Happened at Our Universe's Birth? | Spaceenjoy.

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