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Dan Carroll
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Message 16 of 67 (42891)
06-13-2003 2:33 PM
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06-12-2003 8:02 PM


quote:
Why would you want to be an Atheist. There is no purpose to life, life doesn't really matter
Why do you say that?
I'm an atheist, and I have a purpose. Several, in fact. I write and draw. That's my purpose. I carved it, amongst others out for myself.
I love my girlfriend, I enjoy time with my friends, and I generally try and make the world a little better with me than it would be without me.
None of this requires God. But it all sure matters to me.
And every second I have of life is, in my eyes, made much more meaningful by the fact that at the end, that'll be it. No eternal life. No big reward. That's it.
Which means I'd better make the most of it while I'm here, right?
It's the end of life that makes life valuable. To me, the idea of eternal life completely devalues life.
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zephyr
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Message 17 of 67 (42894)
06-13-2003 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dan Carroll
06-13-2003 2:33 PM


quote:
Why do you say that?
I'm an atheist, and I have a purpose. Several, in fact. I write and draw. That's my purpose. I carved it, amongst others out for myself.
I love my girlfriend, I enjoy time with my friends, and I generally try and make the world a little better with me than it would be without me.
None of this requires God. But it all sure matters to me.
And every second I have of life is, in my eyes, made much more meaningful by the fact that at the end, that'll be it. No eternal life. No big reward. That's it.
Which means I'd better make the most of it while I'm here, right?
It's the end of life that makes life valuable. To me, the idea of eternal life completely devalues life.
HEAR, HEAR!!!
The Atheist's Wager is based on the idea that focusing on the afterlife could result in wasting your efforts during the only part of existence that we know for sure actually... exists. A statement often attributed (without certainty) to Jack London ends like this: "I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." By extension, one could apply this view to the idea of an afterlife. The cacaphony of assertions about how our actions now affect our status in the hereafter makes worrying about it almost pointless, because no objective resolution can be found. So why not live in a free-spirited, compassionate manner that enriches your life and others' as well?

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David unfamous
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Message 18 of 67 (42945)
06-14-2003 10:14 PM
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06-13-2003 4:57 PM


Would the criminal not care for the wrongs he commits if his life is but a passage, and his body but a vessel to paradise.
The atheist, knowing he has no second chance when asking for forgiveness upon his death bed, must strive to be good in the time he has upon this Earth.

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Newborn
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Message 19 of 67 (44004)
06-24-2003 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by David unfamous
06-14-2003 10:14 PM


You are wrong.
Look at my signature.
When you receive Jesus you will not have eternal life in the future but you will have eternal life in the moment you receive him.
Religion cant save men because what really saves man is the blood of Jesus Christ although man in general dont understand that(we live in a complicated society who dont understand such a simple concept and each individual thinks their religion are the thruth but the only thruth is THE GODSPELL).
Man then blame each other but ALL OF US were borned in sin.
The Godspell is the universal and alltemporal thruth.
As I said the eternal life didnt begin when we die but in this world
in that exact moment.
WHEN WE BECOME CHRISTIAN we are giventheresponsability of bring the kingdom of God to this world and we have to influence this world in a good manner either in material or spiritual ways.
Non christian however only thinks in temporary things and dont have a long-therm proposal.They try to change the world without no absolute basis and only in a material(short-term) way.Unfortunately I have to admit that sometimes they do more than us (nobody is perfect and we have free will).Its all a matter of have a commandement.
Everything in this world(with the exception of demons) converge to Jesus Christ.Jesus Christ died for all of us.This measures the love of God and therefore is the only thruth and way of salvation.
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Man are not saved through good deeds but through faith in Jesus

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Newborn
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Message 20 of 67 (44005)
06-24-2003 10:04 PM
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06-14-2003 10:14 PM


You are wrong.
Look at my signature.
When you receive Jesus you will not have eternal life in the future but you will have eternal life in the moment you receive him.
Religion cant save men because what really saves man is the blood of Jesus Christ although man in general dont understand that(we live in a complicated society who dont understand such a simple concept and each individual thinks their religion are the thruth but the only thruth is THE GODSPELL).
Man then blame each other but ALL OF US were borned in sin.
The Godspell is the universal and alltemporal thruth.
As I said the eternal life didnt begin when we die but in this world
in that exact moment.
WHEN WE BECOME CHRISTIAN we are giventheresponsability of bring the kingdom of God to this world and we have to influence this world in a good manner either in material or spiritual ways.
Non christian however only thinks in temporary things and dont have a long-therm proposal.They try to change the world without no absolute basis and only in a material(short-term) way.Unfortunately I have to admit that sometimes they do more than us (nobody is perfect and we have free will).Its all a matter of have a commandement.
Everything in this world(with the exception of demons) converge to Jesus Christ.Jesus Christ died for all of us.This measures the love of God and therefore is the only thruth and way of salvation.
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Man are not saved through good deeds but through faith in Jesus

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mike the wiz
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Message 21 of 67 (44006)
06-24-2003 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Newborn
06-24-2003 10:01 PM


Man are not saved through good deeds but through faith in Jesus
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i agree newborn i agree, well said but watch out thats 2 of us agreeing my friend so expect satan shortly but worry not Jesus is the power.

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 67 (44007)
06-24-2003 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Newborn
06-24-2003 10:01 PM


Man then blame each other but ALL OF US were borned in sin.
Why is it largely the case that the really enthusiastic Christians on this board never seem to obey the rules of English grammar and spelling? (With the notable, and appreciated, exception of Truthlover.) Are they just too enthusiastic? Or too careless?
As I said the eternal life didnt begin when we die but in this world
in that exact moment.
So, Christians don't die? News to me.
This measures the love of God and therefore is the only thruth and way of salvation.
Interesting - but then, who is this god? The god in the bible doesn't exist. So this must be some other god.

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mike the wiz
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Message 23 of 67 (44010)
06-24-2003 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog
06-24-2003 10:07 PM


'The god in the bible doesn't exist.'
what was i saying about satan
HE DOES EXIST Crashfrog i have experienced him aswell as thousands but because this is beyond you i say it is you that is ignorant and i find it very hard to believe you know what faith is!
as for the petty attacks on his english, did not God say he would make the simple wise , indeed he has and all you do is insult people - foolish!

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 24 of 67 (44013)
06-24-2003 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
06-24-2003 10:13 PM


HE DOES EXIST Crashfrog i have experienced him aswell as thousands but because this is beyond you i say it is you that is ignorant and i find it very hard to believe you know what faith is!
Faith is when you believe in someone, even after they've let you down. Like, as in "I have faith in you." Faith is different than trust because you stop trusting people who betray trust.
I had faith in god. So I totally know what faith means. But I was let down way too many times to believe in god. And when other people talked about their experiences with god, they didn't make any sense. They were talking about things that happen to everybody all the time.
But please, don't accuse me of not knowing what faith is. I was totally Christian. I was just like you. But when I really thought about it, and decided I wanted to know the truth instead of a convinient, assuring fiction, I had to reject faith. I had to.
I'm sorry if you can't understand how somebody could know everything you know, have experiences just like yours, and turn their back on it. But I had to, because I wanted to know the truth. I'm sorry if you can't understand that.
as for the petty attacks on his english, did not God say he would make the simple wise , indeed he has and all you do is insult people - foolish!
I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I just had a reasonable question - why are you, and Newborn, and Booboocruise before you are all alike in two ways - your writing contains many grammatical and spelling errors, and you're all enthusiastic Christians. I'm sorry if you don't like the implication. Perhaps you might avoid it if you increased your use of punctuation, complete sentences, and proper spelling. I'm not asking for perfection; it's just that sometimes it's a little hard to tell what you're saying because of your misuse of English.

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Newborn
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Message 25 of 67 (44018)
06-24-2003 10:29 PM
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06-24-2003 10:13 PM


I am Portuguese,thats why i speak bad.
For the eternal life i am saying that you receive it in this woorld but it is not referring to the body but for a daily relashionship with God himself.
When we receive Jesus we are already in Haven(our spirit) and in our body simultaneously.
Otherwise our spirit are in our body and in Hell simultaneously.These two are parallel dimensions.
What hapens is that when we die our spirit are not more condicioned to our body and can receive information of this world without it.
After all sin separates us from God and God lives in Heaven.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 26 of 67 (44020)
06-24-2003 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Newborn
06-24-2003 10:29 PM


I am Portuguese,thats why i speak bad.
Sure. English as a second language is a good reason. Sorry if I insulted you. Wasn't my intent. Seriously, welcome to the forum.
So, by way of returing to the original topic, do you think this can apply to extraterrestials - space aliens? Not that I think any particular extraterrestrials exist (although they could). Did god send an alien Jesus to their world, or did the Jesus of Earth die for the sins of every intelligent being in the universe? And if so, how could they know that unless they visit?
If we meet aliens, and they turn out to have no belief that's anything like redemptive christianity, what does that mean for christianity?

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Newborn
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Message 27 of 67 (44126)
06-25-2003 9:50 AM
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06-24-2003 10:34 PM


I dont believe in aliens.

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John
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Message 28 of 67 (44137)
06-25-2003 10:37 AM
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06-24-2003 10:29 PM


quote:
I am Portuguese,thats why i speak bad.
My sister's husband is Portuguese. Interesting language. Ok. Enough diversion...
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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 29 of 67 (44188)
06-25-2003 3:55 PM
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06-25-2003 9:50 AM


I dont believe in aliens.
Well, I don't believe in them either. But it's an awfully big universe - way too big for just us, I think. There's no indication that all that space is for us. We're certainly not at the center of the universe, as was believed in bible times.
Do you think god would have been so cavalier about wiping away all life on earth in a flood if he hadn't hedged his bets on another planet?
I'd say aliens are a safe bet, somewhere in the huge universe... if so, what could that mean for christianity, in your opinion? Pretend there are aliens, just for a minute.

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Newborn
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Message 30 of 67 (44201)
06-25-2003 5:35 PM
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06-25-2003 3:55 PM


I wanna you to know that we cant find nothing in the bible that says there isnt.I dont have faith that they dont exist.I just BELIEVE it.There is a little difference.I have my reason wich consist in some biblical facts(although the bible didnt tell it directly).

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