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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
I believe religion and science to be the same as they both attempt to do the same thing; explain life. My personal opinion is with religion because science does not stand firm on any belief. Science is only right until proven wrong. Then they change what science says. How can that be truth. (guy 1 says)The Earth is flat. (guy 2 says) No I just got back from the other side. (guy 1 says) Let me see the proof and I'll say what you said. I don't think creationism is a science because it was here before science. Creationism is religion(with a fancy name). I believe science, however, to be a religion also with more than one god. Man. The bible is, as I believe, God's explanation of life. Science is man's explanation of life. I choose to believe God. God is not a man that he should lie. In science we(nice way of saying you) take the word of men we've never met. Yet there are smart people we know who we don't believe a word they say. Darwin could have been wrong, Darwin could have been lying, Darwin could have not even said those things. People could have paraphrased what he really meant. (I often do this to science because everyone does this to the bible) So someone could have changed the bible but no one would ever change a Science book (Sarcasm). I say this to say Creationism is not a science; it is much too stable. Science changes every generation to cover up the FACT that it was wrong. I'm surprised history books still admit that people once thought the Earth was flat. Science told them that. One day history will stop teaching that and the new generation will believe that we always knew the Earth was round.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
That sounds reasonable to me. If evidence turns up to show that you are wrong, then shouldn't you admit it? What sort of nutcake insists that she is right even when the facts demonstrate quite conclusively that she is wrong? The Creator. If you build an automobile(with full understanding of it because you also made all the parts for it) it may seem to some that it should run off of alcohol(I just picked something). The creator/designer would know that it is designed to run off gas.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
Another way to look at it is that science gets righter and righter every time it corrects itself. I agree with this; I look at it the same way. Each correction gets science closer to the truth. With the above automobile situation, once they "discover" that the car works better off of gas they know the truth. The creator/designer already knew this. Also the need of correction shows that before correction it was wrong. Before the correction, I'm pretty sure the "facts" seemed to show something else. The facts aren't wrong we just don't understand them until the correction. So yes, science is getting closer to the truth; truth, in this case, being the "stable" reality of what has always been there. The truth does not change. I'm not saying science is wrong to study, but it has never been the truth(100%). For those who don't understand how this does relate, Creationism is (supposedly) derived from the creator. Once you believe this to be true; you understand that creationism was here first(without that name of course) and has a totally different method (knowing the truth first and then trying to prove it). I'd have to say definetly not. Creation is truly not a science. I do believe science falls in "my" definition of a religion. A group of ideas/beliefs which explain life. It would just be the most unstable religion.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
This is false. Evolution is the scientific theory that explains the diversity and history of life on Earth by the processes of natural selection and random mutation. It is a conclusion from evidence, not an assumption. An ASSumption based on evidence is still an ASSumption. Creationists see the same evidence evolutionists see. We just get something different. Is it truly wrong or ignorant to get something different in the same evidence you see? If you say yes that just shows the usual scientific arrogance. Arrogance that turns to shame around the likes of Christopher Columbus or any who choose not to believe you.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
you get something different because you ASSume that what I believe is mythology.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
A better analogy would be a nut who claims that the car was magically assembled by elves and runs off of pixy dust (and who will never change her mind) versus an engineer who describes the workings of an internal combustion engine, giving us the exact specs when she examines the car, and correcting some of her earlier estimates. correcting early estimates mean the early estimate was wrong. The creator already knew "the workings of an internal combustion engine" and "the exact specs" so no need for wrong estimates. Nobody said magic or pixy dust. Everything you discover he designed. Anything you discover this year; he knew at the beginning of the earth. You're late. To every knew idea to a scientist God says duuuhhh.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
OK, then. Show us that it isn't mythology.
I can't show you only God can. Unfortunately the bible says you have to believe in him to see it. If you really want to find out donate 1 year of your life to truly seek him. I bet you would find out. I don't mean going to church either. I mean reading his word and praying to him. It won't hurt. No one would know (until you get blessed and tell everybody you meet like I do). Nothing to lose. you'll be living for a year right.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
Creationists, on the other hand, insist that they are correct even when the data shows that they are wrong. That seems to me to be the opposite of intelligent. Obviously you don't know the first thing(literally) about what they believe. It's not that they are right. It's that God is right. The scientific method would be to say the eggs were scrambled from the heat of the skillet accompanied by the adjutation from the movement of the spatula. Creationists would say mom made them. But it's really hard to see that "Mom" heated up the skillet and was holding the spatula if you don't believe in a mom.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
Nonetheless - it's interesting that, despite what you say, the Bible has been the source of absolutely zero scientific knowledge of any kind. well it was written so that people could understand it 2000 years ago also. In an experiment (maybe evolutionists can understand this way), you wouldn't tell the rat the way out. You want it to find it for itself. Life is our experiment. Pass or fail? It's learning the true way out the maze. Edited by b b, : add to.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
That just means you don't really want to find out the truth. If your life ever gets bad enough you may reach out for the truth. or maybe not. If you want to know bad enough you will ask him to show you who he is and genuinely mean it.
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b b Member (Idle past 6158 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
the important thing here is that I do not believe creationism is a science. Science can "change" the word of God can't. If you choose to stand firm on ideas that won't even be the same next generation go ahead. But stop attacking creationists for believing in "constant" and not the "variable." lol
Edited by b b, : revise
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