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Author Topic:   The "science" of Miracles
JonF
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Message 10 of 696 (119907)
06-29-2004 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by almeyda
06-29-2004 1:45 AM


What do you mean by miracles exactly?. Are you talking about extradinary intervention by God in our world?. Contradictory to the normal laws of nature?.
Yes, and (if they indeed exist) other supernatural occurences.
Philosophers cant agree on what science is, which is strange because they continue to tell us that creation science is not science, and also contradict themselves when saying creation science is not science because its not testable. They then say the various claims of scientific evidence for creation have been examined & proven false, but examined means tested doesnt it?.
No contradiction. The core of current "creation science", the axioms that God created the world about 6,000 years ago and intervened in various ways since then, is indeed untestable within a scientific pardigm and renders "creation sicence" unscientific. However, some of the individual claims of "creation scientists", such as "radiometric dating must be false" or "Flood waters could have come from a vapor canopy" can be tested for their conformance with natural laws and consistently fail those tests. Faling those tests does not mean that they could not have happened ... it does mean that they could not have happened without miraculous intervention, which is outside the realm of science.
But many founders of modern science were christians who believed in miracles.
As are many current scientists.
So how can scientist perform science if miracles happen? Well the answer is simple, We have an orderly God, not a God of confusion.
There's the nub of the problem. You are trying to constrain your God to doing only what you think makes sense. Well, if indeed your God does exist, He's not constrained by your hopes that He won't do something that you don't like. If we admit God and miracles to science, there is no reason to believe that God will not interfere at any particular time, and there is no reason to beleive the core axiom of science; that there is a real world that behaves in a consistent manner.

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