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Percy
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Message 76 of 94 (159068)
11-13-2004 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 12:39 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Great Pyramid
Davidjay writes:
Can you confirm that Enoch never existed or did NOT build the Great Pyramid.
I think you've got the way ideas are supported backwards. You have to provide evidence *for* your ideas in order to prove them, not just present ideas and consider them proven if no one can disprove them.
It would be just as unreasonable to ask, "Can you confirm that Ulysses never existed or did NOT build the Great Pyramid." We can't prove Ulysses never existed, and we can't prove he didn't build the Great Pyramid, but that doesn't mean he was a real person who build the Great Pyramid.
The facts are that other than Biblical references, there is no evidence that Enoch ever existed. If you have evidence that he was a real person then present it. And if you have evidence he designed and built the Great Pyramid, then you must present that, too.
so onward Christian soldiers, as we measure the passage ways and confirm the Lord's Prophecy.
Whoa, slow down a bit, what's your hurry? Surely you realize you're making one of the most extraordinary claims of all time. We want to be sure to consider this all very carefully. One doesn't want to rush through something so important.
The link you provided provides no evidence. It only asserts that Enoch was the designer of the GP because he was the master builder. Even if Enoch was the master builder, a point on which Genesis 5 is silent and so even this point must be held unsupported at this time, that is not evidence of what he built. Please provide the evidence that shows Enoch was a real person who designed the Great Pyramid.
I'm also interested in any evidence you have for the longest land meridian, longest land latitude, and center of gravity claims.
--Percy

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Message 77 of 94 (159100)
11-13-2004 2:29 PM
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11-13-2004 12:59 PM


Re: Re With more Hypers
I put this on-line to make it clearer, even though it is still missing a few graphics and few more hypers. Oh well maybe Monday, SEE you all then, and I do appreciate your efforts to make me complete this.. Thanks
If you see mathematical errors within a few years or inches or feet or cubits etc. do mention it.. Let's get this right in co-operation.
From Entrance to Kings Chamber in order...
http://www.geocities.com/...djayjordan/EntrancetothePit.html
http://www.geocities.com/...ordan/FloodUntilCrucifixion.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ChristTriangle.html
http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GreatStep.html
http://www.geocities.com/...an/AltarStonetoKingsChamber.html
It totals 6007 inches and I have yet to post the 14 additional Years in finding the Bride...
Have a Good Weekend

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Percy
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Message 78 of 94 (159325)
11-14-2004 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 2:29 PM


Re: Re With more Hypers
You're replying to yourself again!
If you read the Forum Guidelines you'll see that you're expected to make your points in your posts and use references in support. Your post is too many links and too little argumentation.
You've already made a number of assertions that you seem very reluctant to support, namely Enoch's circle and the LLM and related claims. I suggest you provide evidential support for what you've already claimed before moving on to other areas.
--Percy

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Message 79 of 94 (159732)
11-15-2004 1:04 PM
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11-14-2004 9:32 AM


Re: Surely you Jest
PERCY
You must be kidding right ?
I have answered all questions, even though some are still on Enoch's Circle and LLM coordinates that have nothing to do with the full GREAT PYRAMID PROPHECY.
I now have composed the whole timeline, as Nosy wanted .... to explain the whole passageway theory, that culminates in the 2nd Coming of Christ, giving the hyperlinks and graphics as they are made, and you suggest I have broken the rules of the Forum in explaining in complete detail. Surely you jest..Percy.
Why are you so opposed to study and measurements and logic and graphics for explanation.
Anyway, I shall continue to explain, as my opening postying was hardly a full explanation, as I wanted us to go mathematically through the passageways of the Great Pyramid as well as through history.
If I stayed at the entranceway, where most seem to have been leary to enter IN, no progress would have been made.
So rather than complaining about my progress, why not just counter my measurements or historic dates with your own measurements and how you think 'pyramidology' is prophetic.
Thanks hoping you start your measuring..
David
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Percy
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Message 80 of 94 (159736)
11-15-2004 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Davidjay
11-15-2004 1:04 PM


Re: Surely you Jest
Davidjay writes:
I have answered all questions, even though some are still on Enoch's Circle and LLM coordinates that have nothing to do with the full GREAT PYRAMID PROPHECY.
Are you dropping these claims? If you're dropping them then we can move on. If not, then support them, and when we resolve them we'll move on to your passageway data.
Why are you so opposed to study and measurements and logic and graphics for explanation.
I'm not at all, just the opposite, in fact. Why are you so reluctant to reply to inquiries about your claims. They're your claims, after all, and I'm sure you didn't just accept them without supporting evidence. So where's the evidence.
I already posted this image once and didn't receive a straight answer from you, so here it is again:
You claimed that Enoch's circle was amazing because it's circumference in inches is precisely equal to the length of the year in days, 365.24. I pointed out that the length of the year is actually 365.242199 days, and that unless the end walls of the antechamber are precisely parallel and very smooth that the actual length would vary according to where it was measured.
You replied in such a way that I couldn't tell whether you are still asserting this claim or not? And of course there's the larger question about why you read any significance into the fact that when multipied by pi one of the dimensions of one of the structures of the Great Pyramid in inches is equal to the length of Enoch's life in years?
Concerning the Longest Land Meredian claim, this has already been pretty thoroughly rebutted in the Longest Land Meridian thread. See Message 718 for the original data. Are you still asserting this claim? Or are you dropping it?
Thanks hoping you start your measuring..
Please. Like you've been to the GP and measured it yourself.
David, you *do* understand there's no basis for numerology, don't you, whether pyramidology or any other kind. Anyone can pull whatever "amazing coincidences" they like out of any large set of numbers, particularly when there is no way to establish rules about what is meaningful and what isn't.
--Percy

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Brian
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Message 81 of 94 (159737)
11-15-2004 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Davidjay
11-15-2004 1:04 PM


Enoch?
I think what Percy is suggesting is that you have made certain claims that you haven't supported.
For example, you state that Enoch designed the Pyramid and the Egyptians built it. But you offer no evidence to support this at all, how do we know that Enoch designed the Pyramid, I cannot find anything on your website to support this claim.
Are you also claiming that Cheop's Pyramid was built before the Flood?
Brian.

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Percy
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Message 82 of 94 (159741)
11-15-2004 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Davidjay
11-15-2004 1:04 PM


Re: Surely you Jest
Brian mentions one thing I forgot. As he says, you also need evidence that Enoch was a real person who designed the Great Pyramid. Unless you're dropping this claim.
--Percy

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Message 83 of 94 (159778)
11-15-2004 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Percy
11-13-2004 1:04 PM


Just a thought about proving guilt
Davidjay writes:
Can you confirm that Enoch never existed or did NOT build the Great Pyramid.
I think you've got the way ideas are supported backwards. You have to provide evidence *for* your ideas in order to prove them, not just present ideas and consider them proven if no one can disprove them.
Percy,
I'm wondering if the more familiar notion of American jurisprudence about "innocent until proved guilty" with the notion that the accuser must provide evidence to convict or the accused goes free is resulting in this kind of error of logic?
Davidjay may believe that since he has put forth the claim if someone disagrees they are in fact accusing it of falsehood, putting it on trial and thus by analogy from the american court system it's the accusers job to prove it's wrong. I'm not saying this is a tight connection but many posters seem to have a similiar notion and it does seem like a parallel and could be a way to educate them on their responsibilities? or not, whaddya think?
lfen

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Message 84 of 94 (159794)
11-15-2004 2:53 PM
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11-15-2004 2:28 PM


Re: Just a thought about proving guilt
quote:
I'm wondering if the more familiar notion of American jurisprudence about "innocent until proved guilty" with the notion that the accuser must provide evidence to convict or the accused goes free is resulting in this kind of error of logic?
This is a problem, if this is in fact what is going on. In the realm of science, the scientist asserting a theory is the prosecutor, and therefore must present evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" as to the claims being given. As an analogy, the prosecutions "case" is what is being supported, and the Enoch Circle, by analogy, is the prosecutions case. Enoch's Circle must then be cross-examined by the "Defense", as are all scientific theories.

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Message 85 of 94 (159819)
11-15-2004 3:44 PM
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11-15-2004 2:53 PM


Re: Just a thought about proving guilt
Exactly Loud mouth,
My topic was pyramidology, an inch equals one year and the corelations with Bible Prophecy and real history.
Heaven and any one who can read, can see that I have painstakingly detailed every inch from the entranceway to the Kings Chamber in specific inches, and given the graphics to make it easier to understand, and yet some are still hung up in the Ante Room haven't started thru the passageways, so be it.
I prefer people that write in terms of measurements and history. I should re4post my original posting once again, as I mentioned very specifically thast I was asking for math and measurements, rather than side trips. OH Well
So we have to give them a chance, and not be to hard on them Loud mouth. In time they might start majoring on the major rather than on the minors. But for now let's give them the benefit of the doubt.... and see if they have taken any measurements or have any timelines or prophecy, or if they were just too busy to do the measuring.
Good one Loud mouth.
IE The proof is in the measuring. Not in linguistics Amen ?
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Message 86 of 94 (159830)
11-15-2004 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 12:39 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Great Pyramid
Hello Davidjay
You wrote (among many other things) the following:
Davidjay writes:
My span is 9", and my elbow length is a cubit, my generatives at 3' or 2 cubits, my pineal third eye at 6' or 4 cubits, navel at exactly .618 of total, heart at 5'.
I'm just a bit curious. First, What do you mean exactly by "your span"? Second, what are "generatives"? Third, how did you manage to make a measurement from the ground (I assume) to your pineal eye? Do you even know where your pineal "eye" is located? If so, how then did you obtain this measurement? And forth, you say your heart is at 5 feet. To which region of your heart are you measuring? I don't know about your heart, by my own heart is not just a pin point structure located some arbitrary distance up from the ground. Are you measuring to a specific structure....like say the SA node, or the aortic semi-lunar valve? What region/structure of your heart is five feet from up from the ground? What if I have lordosis or scoliosis?
Do you see what I'm getting at? If you're going to make some sort of statement based on pretty precise measurements, then you also need to specify how you obtain these measurements.

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Percy
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Message 87 of 94 (159834)
11-15-2004 4:20 PM
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11-15-2004 3:44 PM


Re: Just a thought about proving guilt
Hi Davidjay,
Unless I'm badly misreading them, neither Ifen nor Loudmouth are endorsing your position or your approach. Ifen was wondering if perhaps the American legal system was leading you to adopt an invalid strategy. Loudmouth's post was making the point that you're expected to provide support in the form of evidence for what you're asserting.
Could you please address the earlier posts requesting that you be specific about whether you're still maintaining your claims about Enoch as the GP designer, the relation of Enoch's circle to the year, and the various meridian, latitude and center of gravity claims. If we can reach a resolution on these issues then we can move on. If not then I think we'll just move you and your thread over to [forum=-28].
--Percy

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Message 88 of 94 (159844)
11-15-2004 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Percy
11-15-2004 4:20 PM


Re: Let me address the Great Pyramid Prophecy
Of course Loud mouth was probably thinking of a different application of innocent until proven quilty, but I applied it properly for him.
This thread is about the GREAT PYRAMID PROPHECY and seeing I finnished it for now and will be moving on because no one here seems to be mathematical and most seem to be stuck in the AnteChamber.
Anyway here it tis... http://www.geocities.com/...jordan/GreatPyramidProphecy.html
And although you haven;t started the measuring of passageways, Percy I have included the overview as directed by NOSY.
Each segment of the passageway has a number and numbers 1-5 add up to 6007...
Pity you didn't get in on the measuring, and part of the solution. Otherwise you know what they say ....
And YES do post make a NEW Thread about Enoch's Circle, I'd love to hear your positive or negative opinions on another thread. You posted his Circle Graphics, and that's all I can find out about His Circle.
But I do want to start a thread concerning the Tabernacle of the Sun, so if you get mathematically inclined and into measuring distances and speeds, and time, then do post on that thread if it is allowed. OPtherwise, I shall go to other dis. boards.
But thanks all for compelling me to go further into the passageways tro see if the Great Pyramid is in fact prophetic and make me make simple graphics for those who can't do the research for themselves. And I do agree now. Much appreciated.
Have you got any measurements Percy, actually I think you are about a week behind
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Message 89 of 94 (159845)
11-15-2004 4:44 PM
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11-15-2004 3:44 PM


Re: Just a thought about proving guilt
quote:
Heaven and any one who can read, can see that I have painstakingly detailed every inch from the entranceway to the Kings Chamber in specific inches, and given the graphics to make it easier to understand, and yet some are still hung up in the Ante Room haven't started thru the passageways, so be it.
Since you are making the case, perhaps you can give us the evidence that Enoch was responsible for the design. As Percy has also mentioned, you also need to give us the margin of error in the measurements. Is the margin of error 365 +/- 6 inches, or is it more precise than that? This is important. If the margin of error is several inches when calculating the circumference the 365 inch measurement is not fulfilled. The problem that these type of arguments run into is post hoc theories. That is, you are pulling out one possibible outcome from many possible outcomes and arguing that only one specific outcome was intended.
Also, why is the circumference important? Why aren't you using the volume of the chamber instead? Is it because the circumference fits your already assumed theories? Why don't you use the square footage of the room, the height of the chamber, the diagonal length, etc.? This is another problem, the very fact that you pick some measurements as having meaning without first justifying why other measurements were not intended to have meaning.
Thirdly, and I don't think it has been mentioned but it may have, the pattern of the three pyramids at Giza exactly match the star pattern and star size of Orion's Belt. Not only that, but many of the other features of the pyramids also line up with astrological points of significance.

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Message 90 of 94 (159849)
11-15-2004 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by FliesOnly
11-15-2004 4:08 PM


Re: Distances are measurements of man
Darn it Fly,
I posted you and it didn;t go thru and was quite long. Oh well one more try, as scriputrially I am told to try an answer him that asketh if it is a sincere question...
My comments in ...(..)
I'm just a bit curious. First, What do you mean exactly by "your span"? (Measure from thumb to middle finger when extended.) Second, what are "generatives"? (Ha, that meant generative organs, but seeing sexuality might be a sensitive issue here, I used a more delicate word. Generative organs do the generation and m,ultiplication the Lord told us to do originally, which gives us the expansion of populations at PHI levels)
Third, how did you manage to make a measurement from the ground I assume to your pineal eye? (ASpproximately just above your eye brow level, or if you want to be more specific 1.618 of 29.034 of your total height. That's the way the good Lord created us. The ancient Jews called this the plane of reflection or seat of the soul, because it is here we have our spiritual receptivity and transmission. http://www.geocities.com/...an/GoldenSectionandyourBody.html )) Do you even know where your pineal "eye" is located? If so, how then did you obtain this measurement? (Tape measure, my wife helped me and she KNOWS exactly how long I am, if you know what I mean biblically speaking)
And forth, you say your heart is at 5 feet. To which region of your heart are you measuring? (To approximately the middle. I don;t strain at gnats... Where's your heart ?) I don't know about your heart, by my own heart is not just a pin point structure located some arbitrary distance up from the ground. (Arbitrary ???? in your opinion) Are you measuring to a specific structure....like say the SA node, or the aortic semi-lunar valve? What region/structure of your heart is five feet from up from the ground? (Where it beats ) What if I have lordosis or scoliosis?
Do you see what I'm getting at? (Gnats YES) If you're going to make some sort of statement based on pretty precise measurements, (PHI is precise, my body is not perfect as far as I know, only MADE in His Image as you should know) then you also need to specify how you obtain these measurements. (Good old tape measure.. So having answered your queries, Fly, how far above the ground is your belly button, for if you get some experience in measuring, you can establish the phi ratios in your body, but if you think you are just an arbitrary unproportioned **** Oh well, I can;t open you up to the beauty of PHI Consider http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Whatisbeauty.html
This post isn;t as good or nearly as long as my first attempt, but at least I answered you. Waiting to hear your measurements ?

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