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Author Topic:   The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof
Loudmouth
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Message 34 of 212 (108890)
05-17-2004 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by almeyda
05-17-2004 8:26 AM


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A religion can be defined as a worldview. And a world view is any ideology, philosophy, theology, movement that provides an understanding of the world, God, mans understanding of the world etc.
And the evidence that supports evolution can be repeated regardless of worldview. Unfornately for you, the evidence that falsifies creationism can also be repeated regardless of worldview. This is the problem that young earth creationists face, the existence of falsifying data. It is only the religious nature of creationism that keeps the whole movement going, not the evidence.
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Why has modern day scientific communities ruled out creation? The truth is what many of you have already said. Science cannot observe or measure the supernatural and therefore is incapable of obtaining any knowledge about it. But by this definition science cannot render judgement on the theory of evolution either. One time only historical events that seem impossible in the present fall outside the parameters of scientific methods then they cannot be observed, tested, or falsified.
Let's end this nonsense now. Yes, the past can not be repeated, but the evidence it leaves behind can be. EVIDENCE, not first hand observation, is what supports evolution, forensics, astronomy, geology, and a myriad of other scientific fields. All of these field have theories that MAKE PREDICTIONS ABOUT FUTURE FINDS. Evolution, for instance, states that the differences in DNA for two species is in direct relationship to the span of time since they shared a common ancestor (as seen in the fossil record). Every time two species are compared with the fossil record, this prediction is tested. Guess what, the prediction is fulfilled. Evolution makes predictions about what we will find IN THE FUTURE. You have yet to tackle this part of science. Ask yourself this, what does creationism predict about the sorting of fossils seen in the geologic column? Frankly, it doesn't, and tries to give people the impression that no such sorting exists. Creationism looks to keep a religious idea going without caring if it's wrong or right while science looks to explain the natural world around us to the best of our human ability. I think we can understand which is a religion and which is not.

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Loudmouth
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Message 94 of 212 (110911)
05-27-2004 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by almeyda
05-26-2004 11:27 PM


Re: Evolution a Religion?
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Going on with the topic at hand i found this interesting thing about humanists and their religious belief in evolution. Yes its from the enemies website, but have listen.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/AnswersMedia/play.aspx?me...
Is there a written transcript of this information?

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Loudmouth
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Message 174 of 212 (114165)
06-10-2004 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by DarkStar
06-08-2004 9:04 PM


Re: Hitler a Christian? Oh the lies that people will believe.
DarkStar,
And he wasn't a true evolutionist either. Within evolution, it is the environment that decides who are the best fit, not personal discrimination. Also, whether or not a subpopulation dies off is due to the environment as well, not forced internment camp. If Hitler believed in evolution and believed that the Jews were substandard, then the death camps were entirely not needed since the environment would have selected against them.

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Loudmouth
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Message 182 of 212 (117540)
06-22-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by DarkStar
06-21-2004 10:28 PM


Re: Adding Fuel To The Fire
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Durant concludes that the secular myths of evolution have had "a damaging effect on scientific research", leading to "distortion, to needless controversy, and to the gross misuse of science".
And you know what, I totally agree with Durant. The popularization of the theory of evolution has distorted it beyond what it was designed to explain, the evolution of organisms. Some of this can be blamed on creationists. Somehow, the following phrase has become quite popular: "if humans evolved from apes why are there still apes." Hence Durant's message of distortion, needless controversy, and gross misuse of science (at a SECULAR level). This is why evolution needs to be taught in science class. Not to indoctrinate, but stop the distortion of not only evolutionary theories, but science theories in general. Given the poor quality of science education here in the states it is no wonder that creationist strawmen have a foothold in secular thought.

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Loudmouth
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Message 199 of 212 (118669)
06-25-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by mark24
06-23-2004 5:02 AM


Re: What does the fossil record suggest?
Mark24,
Given the number of creationists present recently, could I suggest that you make the stratigraphy argument the topic of a new thread? That way the creationists can't ignore it without totally abandoning a thread. Again, just a suggestion, but I think it would make a great thread.

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Loudmouth
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Message 206 of 212 (141455)
09-10-2004 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by riVeRraT
09-10-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Great question
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I won't accept that blasphemy on this forum anymore. I think most of the people on this forum are intelligent enough to reconize this.
Unfortunately, most creationist make the same mistake when they link Hitler and evolution. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Loudmouth
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Message 208 of 212 (141468)
09-10-2004 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by riVeRraT
09-10-2004 5:41 PM


Re: Great question
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I didn't know that. I feel that would be incredibly wrong also.
I agree. I just find it curious that when you use the same arguments as creationists they suddenly become bad arguments (according to creationists). Also, if Hitler had really applied evolution he would not have killed anybody, just let nature take its course. If Hitler truly believed that the Jews were inferior then nature would have selected against them. Evolution is not about killing people, it is about out competing the competition. But anyway, back to the main topic.

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