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Author Topic:   The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof
Unseul
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Message 32 of 212 (108877)
05-17-2004 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by almeyda
05-17-2004 8:26 AM


Evolution is the ultimate means of perception so therefore the means of gaining knowledge is in the theory of origins, why are we here, what purpose, social and moral issues etc.
Bull. Evolution explains how one species can change into another, how living things adapt to the pressures they are subjected to. It has nothing to do with how life started.
Evolution does explain why we are here, blind chance. There is no purpose for our being here, we are small insignificant specks in the universe made up of small particles, nothing important.
Evolution most definitly does not attempt to explain morals. It may attempt to explain behaviours, but it does not try and imply a justice system based on morals.
Evolution can be, and has been tested. This makes it valid science, you can then make predictions about what should be found, these predictions can be then confirmed or used to falsify the theory. If for instance a mammal in the wild was to suddenly grow a pair of functional wings, and still have all four normal limbs as well(so no bats arent evidence of this) Then that would be proof to falsify evolution. So it can be tested, these tests can be repeated, it can be falsified. It is science.
Natural selection and mutation are grounded very much in fact. Watch a herd of gazelles, the good healthy runners arent caught by the cheetah, the weak slow runners are. Nature is selecting which animals survive. Mutation is observed all over the place, everyone has mutations in their DNA, its just most of them arent important, some however can be observed, leading to genetic diseases.
I think the rest of the points have been already covered sufficiently (as have most of these, but it can never hurt to try and hammer them in once more)
Unseul

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Unseul
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Message 126 of 212 (111542)
05-30-2004 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by almeyda
05-30-2004 5:08 AM


Re: almeyda
Erm, that article is quite amusing. Not being a physicist i cannot argue if its attack on the big bang is correct, however the article just sorta glosses over the fact that the bible doesnt fit either. It just says that Big Bang cant be right. This isnt a problem for science just means another theory is needed, however the bible is still going to be just as wrong.
Can we have a few basic ecerpts from the book you mentioned, just some of the basic theories, cheers.
Unseul

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Unseul
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Message 140 of 212 (111975)
06-01-2004 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by almeyda
06-01-2004 3:23 AM


Re: IRe: almeyda
If evolution was never thought about (dont like the word invented). I still doubt christian creation would be taught in all schools, there would be uproar, wheres the evidence that its creation is the correct one.
There are many people out there who believe in god, and also think that evolution occured. How do you consider these people? Evolution does not remove god, hell even i can make god fit in with evolution no probs (doesnt mean i believe).
There is no evidence of creation, the best way it can fit in is using the classic god of the gaps analogy, at the moment the most disputed parts of our existence are abiogenesis and the beginning of the universe. So at the moment god can have these, until they slowly get worked out. Evolution doesnt make me an atheist, however i wont deny it doesnt make it easier, it means im not just going from one unknown thing to another, this way im going from God did it, to heres a possible scientific way that it happened, a little more knowledge gained. But knowledge of evolution didnt make me an atheist.

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Do unto others before they do unto you.

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