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Author Topic:   Teleological Science?
tesla
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Message 30 of 114 (453159)
02-01-2008 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by humoshi
02-01-2008 2:37 PM


i don't understand the concept.
its apparent that some evolution evolves to a greater form, while other forms of the same initial start appear to devolve.
the devolution leads to extinction, while the evolution leads to survival.
for instance: if we say ape's evolved upward to man, but evolved form the lesser initial, the lesser initial is the start of man. but if all evidence was to show man before apes in the fossil records, then it would be apparent that apes are a devolution of man.
in lack of any evidence, there can be no conclusion. but this is conclusive: that dogs "appear" to be a devolution of the wolf, since the wolf has a greater mind. the devolution of the aggressive properties leads to a less aggressive, less smart, yet more man friendly version of wolf: dog.
a evolution project on foxes discovered that quite quickly by selective breeding of an animals flight distance led to a friendly colorful fox ina very short period of time, much shorter than what initially was believed to be possible.
I'm not sure where there observation would be relative to teleological science tho. i fail to understand where a=b,c,d,f.
when more apparent is a=b AND B AND B AND B AND THEN B= C C C C C C and then c c c c c c= d d d d d d d d d d d d.
i hope i didn't overstep my abilities in my lack of understanding.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 36 of 114 (453205)
02-01-2008 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by humoshi
02-01-2008 4:35 PM


oh ..
so pretty much the teleo thingy is saying everything was purposeful in its evolution?
i believe there is purpose to everything, or else, whats the point in it existing? but the design of nature allows a lot of choice.
for instance, in the dog scenario, and flight distance, the scientist watched dogs gathering at garbage. the further the dog ran, the less likely it would return, and instead hunt more aggressively as the wolf would do, but wolves with less flight distance would return to the garbage because it is easier, and after observing man supply it, would eventually by mating with other wolves with less flight distance, evolve to a lesser form that didn't need as much strength and cunning., because it chose to scavenge, instead of hunt.
the evidence from the fox study shows how dog could spawn from wolves very quickly given this scenario.
i believe personally that there is a purpose and point to everything there is, but that the purpose does not override choice, as nature's design freely gives of it, within the condition it exists.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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