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Vacate
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Message 92 of 142 (456345)
02-17-2008 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Kitsune
02-17-2008 8:52 AM


Science needs to establish that a positive effect from homeopathy exists
Tried and failed.
like Rupert Sheldrake is doing for telepathy, dogs who know their ownders are coming come
Tried and failed.
Then science needs to investigate how it works.
You presume that science has results that show there is something worth looking into.
BTW, no one is sure how homeopathy does work, though there are plenty of ideas.
None that are scientific. You must first establish that there is an actual effect before you start investigating its mechanism. Given that no study has shown a real effect its then up to the quacks to start making things up.
website talks a little about how water can be influenced by thought.
Let me be the first to say that its really aliens directing their thoughts into the water with lazer beams. My proof of course is egyptian pyramids, acupuncture, and the JFK assasination. Its all linked.

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Vacate
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Message 98 of 142 (456360)
02-17-2008 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Kitsune
02-17-2008 11:26 AM


Re: Tested and Failed
What really interests me is how science could accept something as mind-blowing as quantum physics.
Quite simply because its reproducible and supported by evidence. It also does not rely upon anecdotal evidence.
And yet . . . homeopathy? Ghosts? The healing power of prayer? Bigfoot? These are dismissed as delusion?
Evidence. Continued belief in something that has no evidence to support it, has evidence against it, and relies on the testimony of believers as its only basis of support is something. Delusion is perhaps a slightly condecending title, but it does fit.
Maybe they are rejected in this way because they can't (to our knowledge) be mathematically modelled the way quantum physics can be.
Exactly. And they have no evidence.
And my point was that a materialistic reductionist, which describes much of the modern scientific establishment, would never consider homeopathy worthy of study to begin with.
Don't you find it odd that scienctists can "believe" in something so counter intuitive as quantum mechanics, but reject something as testable as homeopathy? Tests have been done, so to claim it is rejected out of hand is incorrect. The fact is that science does not automatically reject something that is counter intuitive but does reject something that not supported with evidence.
The idea of energy or memory somehow being transmitted in the water is dismissed out of hand.
Not true. You are attempting to put forward a mechanism for something that has not been shown to be effective. The mechanism (energy or memory) is not being "somehow transmitted", its simply not being transmitted at all. Its easy to dismiss this out of hand, because you have not shown that there is anything supported by evidence that would require a mechanism.
The second link calls for "further high quality studies." I agree. Bring 'em on.
The question then becomes - when does it stop? All results that have been put forward so far you have rejected out of hand. You demand more studies into a topic that has produced no results. These tests are not cheap and the proponents of these type of remedies have shown that they will never give up. No test will ever change the minds of the believers, so I ask you - how many tests would be enough before science can move on to the next psuedo science that demands more and more testing?
How much credibility should be handed over to the long line of people with such claims? The more testing that is done simply bolsters the proponents claims that its a topic worth investigating!

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