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Wounded King
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Message 67 of 142 (427702)
10-12-2007 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Kitsune
10-12-2007 12:24 PM


Homeopathy has been given to dogs and infants with good effects, and these are not prone to a placebo effect.
Evidence for this bare assertion being?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 85 of 142 (456317)
02-17-2008 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Kitsune
02-17-2008 2:24 AM


Is it science? No, not the way science is defined today.
So its only as scientific as ID and creationism then, you are thinking of subscribing to the Michael Behe school of science perhaps?
The underlying assumption is what should be in question -- that in order to be effective, the remedy must have some degree of the original substance left in it. It does not.
Sure, but it depends if you only want it to be as effective as the placebo effect or to have an additional effect.
And yet it does.
A pretty massive claim and one you failed to substantiate in some pretty lengthy threads. Or did you only mean it works as well as sugar pills and injections of saline?
There are even homeopathic NHS hospitals here in the UK
But some of these were founded almost 2 centuries ago. The Royal London Homeopathic Hospital was founded in 1849. Do you not think that medicine has progressed in 150 years, well perhaps not since homeopathic medicine is still firmly stuck in the scientific milieu of its foundation with some quantum technobabble (energy medicine? Seriously?) crudely grafted on to try and justify it.
Its early initial acceptance has definitely helped homoeopathy hang on in the face of the evidence. I wonder if the homoeopathic principles had been formulated nowadays they would ever have risen above the noise of the other further out alternative 'therapies' like therapeutic touch, laetrile or scientological 'assists'.
the government realises that it works.
The fact that some people in government believe something is absolutely no guarantee of its truth or value.
What we should be discussing is not whether all these people are deluded, but what is going on here and how homeopathy works.
You still need to show that it does work, and there have been 200 years for that to happen, surely enough time for a real effect to be widely recognised scientifically?
Surely it's a topic worthy of more investigation, as are many things that are thrown out as "crank" notions.
It has been investigated, the initial hypothesis was not necessarily 'crank', its foundations may have been tenuous but it was certainly testable. It has been investigated for over 200 years, and the evidence still fails to convince most people in the field.
Me, I like being a crank.
Evidently, I prefer being cranky.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 138 of 142 (480620)
09-05-2008 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by rohndawson
09-04-2008 10:31 PM


To define Homeopathy - it is the art and science of healing the sick by using substances capable of using the same symptoms.
You forgot the other important aspect, that the substance should be highly diluted, sometimes to the point of being essentially non-existent.
After all otherwise you could be describing the principle behind some early forms of vaccination.
TTFN,
WK

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