Homeopathy

You do agree its been diluted thus its not just water if the body can sense ppt then if this diluted water is consumed no reason the body will not react to this dilution "ppt".I'm not into homeopathy but the body can reacts to "ppt" to near nothing "ppt" the idea I believe its all about how the body responds to nothing "ppt" the reaction is the body being tricked thus bringing relief to a real problem.P.S. Don't tell the FDA nothing is something cause its one of the few things they are not regulating.

Are you familiar with Avogadro's number?The laws of chemistry state that there is a limit to the dilution that can be made without losing the original substance altogether.Avogadro showed that there is a large but finite and specific number of atoms or molecules in a mole of substance, specifically 6.022 x 10^23.There are 10^33 molecules of water in a 30X dilution.Therefore, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, but water in a 30X homeopathic.Therefore, there is nothing for the body to react to.

They have been able to distinguish two remedies thus its not just water. -----------------------------------------Using convergent findings from more than one technology (Raman spectroscopy, UV-VIS spectroscopy), Dr. Roy's group has been able to distinguish the two remedies from one another and different potencies of a given remedy from one another.Homeopathiclaboratories.com&

Hey, Whatever, don't you remember how to shorten a link after almost 1600 posts?Also, this business about Avagadro's number, it's ultimately down to counting. Are you arguing against counting now? I'm sure there are many preschoolers who may object to your objection.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

No, Just that if it was only water how come two different remedies can be distinguished the one from the other.

You don't present any evidence that they have been.

Indeed, Mr Jack. 'Effect' is the root word of 'effective', yes?Persons facing life-threatening illnesses don't like to sit at home between doctor appointments taking their prescription meds every four hours and assume they are doing everything they can do. They want to tip the scales in favour of their survival. If something out there has a reputation for helping, and if they can afford to throw it on the scales, they do. Anything to tip those scales their way.A placebo effect beats no effect at all. In some fights that's the only weapon at hand.The demand for makeshift remedies falls off drastically in these situations once the science catches up.It appears homeopathy 'works' by making the (potentially powerful) placebo effect available to those who can use it, while at the same time obeying the medical dictum of doing no harm. It's water._____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev.Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

I have seen MDs use the placebo effect ( my family doctor with my son) and discussed it with my MD brother.He points out the challenges to useing it:1) You must not lie.You may say that some people believe this can be helpful but you must not say that it is a wiz bang wonder medicine that cures what ails you.2) You must be sure that there are no treatable causes of the symptoms.
A thorough work up is required to be sure you know what you are dealing with to the degree possible.3) You must not make any money from selling it.This isn't a problem (at least here) since a physician is not allowed to sell what s/he prescribes.These conditions can make it difficult for an ethical physician to use placebos because:
They work best if they are hyped as being powerful (including discussion non existent side effects (which may then be experienced -- but only if discussed). So lying maybe estential.
The suppliers of these things often aren't able to do a proper diagnosis.
The placebo is likely to be more effective if it is expensive (must be good if it costs a lot) and an ethical pharmacy isn't going to charge $5 per sugar pill.

Check the video about waters structures multiply and how it relates to homeopathy.-----------------------------Web Cast - from the National Center for HomeopathyTxoptions.com

You are grabbing at straws, really.Even if you could come up with evidence that water could somehow retain a memory of substances under some exotic circumstances, you would still have several mountains to climb. Homeopathy has holes in it on every possible level. That's why any critical thinker will quickly classify it as so unlikely that it is not worth further consideration. Alternative explanations based on self-delusion and fallacious thinking in general are much much more plausible.- why such predictable *selective* memory? Why wouldn't water retain memories of everything else it gets in touch with?
- how is it supposed to deliver this effect to the body to "heal"? How could this possibly be discerned from the "background noise" of all the involuntary intake of water that will inevitably have memories of SOME kind? Does application to the subject mean that the memory is perfectly wiped in the process?
- given the whole "memory" theory does indeed turn out to have substance, it still wouldn't explain how being MORE diluted is supposed to make a homepathic substance MORE effective. This aspect is SO counter anything we know, that it is just laughable!
- show us the steps taken by homeopathic pharmaceutical companies to make sure that the "water" they start with, indeed does no longer contain any residue memories. Quality control, anyone?
- keeping in mind the very naive and unscientific methodology used by Hahneman to determine the effects of each substance, what is the chance that homeopathy would actually work AFTER ALL, just by chance? I mean, one lucky shot could be believable, but being right "in the wrong way" ALL ALONG THE LINE?? I'm sorry, but you've lost me there...The ONLY way to counter all this, would be to have double-blinded studies with a very very pronounced positive result in favor of the effectiveness. Something that could not possibly be attributed to placebo effects."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", to paraphrase Carl Sagan.Edited by Annafan, : (spelling)

Here is my question.
I am assuming that homeopathic medicines are suggested to you, with the premise of acting like an immunization shot.
This is supposedly to treat an an ailment like an allergy or something. Since your body is having trouble with a certain type of chemical, or naturally occurring substance.
So they are giving you this 30x diluted concoction, when you are already being exposed to the same thing in the natural.
If your body cannot deal with the substance already, what makes them think that having just a little bit more, is going to make a difference?Second question, are all homeopathic mixtures diluted 30x?

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Second question, are all homeopathic mixtures diluted 30x?

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No, but most are.Those are supposed to be the most powerful ones, IIRC.

Don't think so... That would probably be "...a 200c dilution of duck liver, called Oscillococcinum" (Wikipedia homeopathy article). I remember reading about how this lead to the concept of the $20.000.000 Dollar Duck. Since one duck is enough to supply a year's worth of duckliver extract for this homeopathic medicine.I should really go into that business, lol

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There's no scientific basis for the idea that water's molecular structure can "retain" information about solutes that it once contained. And if it could, surely all water would have the "memory" of countless substances that once had been dissolved within it, so we should be poisoning ourselves with every glass.Yet we're not. There's simply no scientific basis for homeopathy, and there's absolutely no evidence that a dilution of solution so weak that none of the solute molecules are retained can be distinguished from pure water.