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Author Topic:   Nonsensical Atheists? Agobot?
Granny Magda
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Message 37 of 48 (497587)
02-04-2009 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Agobot
02-04-2009 6:00 PM


Hi Agobot,
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Out of the last 3 or 4 days, yes, it's the best example and atheists are still fighting to upkeep this nonsense.
1) As has been made abundantly clear, Percy is not an atheist. The hint is the "I'm Not an Atheist!" thread that he started the other day, along with his having said very clearly that he is a deist. So it's not only atheists who disagree with you here.
2) It's not nonsense, you just haven't understood the point Capt Stormfield was making. An atom is still an atom, whether it is part of a bridge or part of a person. It obeys exactly the same laws, yet the bridge and the person are very different.
3) Clearly, whether it's nonsense or not, most people in this discussion seem to think that Capt Stormfield's point was valid. Where is the double standard here? I agree with the point Capt S made, so I don't criticise it. I disagree with the point "Creationist #94" makes, so I do criticise it. If I disagree with Capt S, I will criticise him. If I find myself agreeing with "Creationist #94", I will support him on that point. Are you suggesting that people should criticise points that they agree with for the sake of balance?
4)It is, in fact, quite common for atheists to disagree with each other on this board. Only the other day, Bluegenes was kind enough to correct me on the number of non-religious people in the US and he was quite right, both in point of fact and in calling me on my mistake. I disagree with bluescat48's opinion on "rap". I don't see any my-gang-mentality here and I don't see a problem.
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I can dig more, but this is not a good tactic to sweep some nonsense under the rug, as if it didn't exist, or as if it wasn't that much of a nonsense. If i had posted more quotes with stupidity from the past, it would only serve to distract me from the debate by going back and forth between a dozen topics, its details, its wording, its dictionary definitions, semantics, etc. all into oblivion.
You mean you would have to work to actually prove your point? Horror!
I think the point Modulous is making here is that he is unimpressed with the scale of "nonsense" that you have provided as your example. I'm certainly pretty unimpressed; it hardly ranks up there with a triceratops wearing a saddle or other such creationist twaddle. (I chose an example from outside EvC here, so as to avoid causing unnecessary offence.)
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I've been a member of this camp long enough to know well this "confuse your opponent" tactic.
It does not seem as though any such tactic is needed.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 45 of 48 (497668)
02-05-2009 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Agobot
02-05-2009 11:51 AM


Still missing that point I see,
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It's quite obvious that you'd be dead if the atoms in your body didn't behave in a radically new way, supposedly because of their configuration.
Note the bolded portion. The atoms may be configured differently, but they are still atoms and obey the same atomic laws as the atoms in a bridge. When an organism dies, it's atoms do not undergo any change within or of themselves, they merely take on a different configuration. They are still atoms. A hydrogen atom in a person is simply a hydrogen atom. The same is true for a bridge, even if the molecules of which it is a part are arranged in different ways and are undergoing different processes.
Consider an analogy; a screw is still a screw, whether it is part of a bicycle or a bridge.
Have you even considered that the reason why so many people are disagreeing with you might not be because they are a bunch of mean spirited atheists? Have considered that it might be more to do with you simply being wrong?
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I posit that there is a difference between a dead and a living human being. The difference is visible at the atomic level, easily.
Good. Show me the difference in, say, a hydrogen atom from a living person and a hydrogen atom from a corpse. Just the atom mind you, not the structure of which it is a part.
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Life at the molecular and atomic level is not simple, it's not even complex, it's mind-bogglingly complex.
There is no life at the atomic level. Atoms are not alive nor do they die. Ironically, you are talking nonsense.
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I have no idea why certain individuals omit to consider that your body is mostly liqiud, and most of the communication between the atoms of the molecules are talking place through these liquids(which are excited atoms whose outer electrons at times have the ability to 'fly off'), and through electrical signaling, which is instantaneous. Of course our atomic structure and it's mind-boggling abilities is in absolutely no way similar to that of any bridge.
Utter crap. The atoms are still atoms and they obey the same laws in both; unless you would like to propose a "Bridge Theory of Matter" and a separate "Person Theory of Matter".
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But the nonsense is ongoing and protracting.
So what? I can't help but feel that at the heart of this lies a protracted whine about moderation procedures. Some people, in your opinion, talk nonsense. What do you want? A muffin basket? Do you want people suspended for disagreeing with you? What is your point? You should expect to find people talking nonsense. This is a debate board. people disagree with each other. A lot. That is the whole point. If everyone agreed with each other, it would be fucking boring.
If you think think someone is talking nonsense, take them up on it and debate it. If not don't. Simple.
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This is again offtopic, but...
But nothing. You really need to lose your habit of dragging every thread in which you participate into irrelevant theoretical physics that you barely understand.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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