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Author Topic:   Equating science with faith
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 88 of 326 (460583)
03-16-2008 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Rahvin
03-16-2008 1:17 PM


Correction: equating Darwinian "science" with blind faith
there are some members who want desperately to equate science with faith.
You do not understand faith.
Faith requires an object. In your case the object of your faith is the presuppositions, interpretations and conclusions of evolutionary science.
But we know evolution is not science but a religion. Your god is the ideas of Atheist "scientists" like Charles Darwin. You worship and bow down to these ideas. You have faith that they are correct as noted above. If any one does not bow down and recognize your faith you and a gang of other howlers will slander them.
Jonathan Wells has two Ph.D.s; one in microbiology and one in Theology. He is famous for saying that he forsook evolution because he did not have the faith to believe in it anymore.
There is no evidence in existence in support of evolution. The emperor is naked. It is evident that your faith, unlike educated persons like Jonathan Wells, is very strong. That is why your faith is blind faith. Genuine faith is based on evidence, like the observation of design which implies Designer, and not unintelligent process, the same of which only exists in your imagination, hence blind faith.
Ray

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Message 105 of 326 (461060)
03-21-2008 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Rahvin
03-16-2008 10:14 PM


Re: Correction: equating Darwinian "science" with blind faith
You don't understand rational thought.
The "agree with me or you are irrational" card.
But let it be known that Rahvin, that is, a person who believes that apes morphed into men, thinks I am irrational. I am glad a person who says apes morphed into men thinks I am irrational. Logically it is the best evidence of my rationality.
You're the one who believes the widespread acceptance of evolution is the punishment for the widespread acceptance of evolution
Wrong.
Acceptance of evolution means that God is punishing said persons for denying Him credit as Creator. This explains why a theory with no evidence is accepted.
You're the one who accuses everyone who disagrees with you of being an "atheist"
Wrong.
I point out that evolution presupposes Materialism to be true and that Materialism presupposes Atheism to be true. In this context I point out that Christians who support evolution are not real Christians based on the evidence of their support of evolution based on Materialism.
You're the one that even most Creationists and IDists won't touch
Correction: it is Fundamentalists and Evolutionists that reject persons like myself, yes.
Ray originally writes:
But we know evolution is not science but a religion.
Rahvin in response writes:
It's not, as we've shown in many threads. Thanks for proving my point, Ray. You're yet another one of those who is desperate to say "you do it to!" so that your wacky beliefs can achieve the same validity as scientific theories. Your faith has not a lick of objective evidence - it's based entirely on appeals to tradition, appeals to authority, appeals to personal incredulity, and nothing of substance. You personally don't even have a loose contact with reality.
Evolution has always been a religion - the religion of Atheism. That is how it originally began. It remains the religion of Atheism despite the confused and ignorant Christians who support it.
We already know that evolutionists believe that their religion is science - very predictable. Evolution is scientISM, which is the deification of ideas that supplant God as Creator of reality and nature.
Before 1859 Creationists controlled the scientific establishment. Now Evolutionists control the establishment. Evolution was never science and will never be science - it is Materialism.
Creationism-ID is science. Our faith is based, in part, on the facts of science. Your faith in evolution is blind faith, supported by no facts or evidence. The "success" of your paradigm is explained by the punishment from God. How else does one explain the success of a theory that says God is not the cause of the observation of design seen in nature?
Since nearly all Atheists support evolution this fact alone is the only evidence that any objective person needs to know that evolution is false, unscientific and Atheist philosophy.
Your idol is a scumsucking moron of a televangelist who likes to bully gullible grandmothers until they send him money.
Dr. Scott was a highly respected Stanford Ph.D. He was the most respected scholar in the world during his lifetime. The degree of rage seen in your comment above is equal to the degree that you perceive Dr. Scott to be the scholar who refuted your theory.
Rahvin is just lashing out.
Darwin wasn't an atheist, and his personal theology has nothing to do with the objective, observable evidence that is the basis of his theory.
We know Darwin became an Atheist the moment that he concluded for transmutation. Because he lived in an anti-Atheism society he had to feign Deism-Theism, which accounts for your mistaken belief.
Ray
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Message 107 of 326 (461066)
03-21-2008 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by obvious Child
03-21-2008 7:57 PM


Re: Correction: equating Darwinian "science" with blind faith
Where does Evolution state that God was not responsible at all?
Materialism does not presuppose Deism, but Atheism.
Evolution says intelligence is not seen in reality and that God is not the Creator, that is why all Atheists support.
Ray

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Message 108 of 326 (461072)
03-21-2008 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by obvious Child
03-21-2008 7:57 PM


Re: Correction: equating Darwinian "science" with blind faith
This jumped out at me, signaling a complete lack of any understanding of science on your part.
We already know that Atheists believe that anyone who does not believe what they believe to not have science understanding, what is your point?
Science studies the natural world, what exists and can be tested. How can science not be materialism?
Because Materialism presupposes the non-existence of God in reality and denies the existence of all evidence that contradicts. This idea corresponds to Atheism and the same is not science, but Materialism. Science does not deny the existence of evidence, but recognizes its existence and attempts to explain it.
Or is that you are completely redefining words to suit your bad arguments in an attempt to avoid just how weak they are?
When we remember that you are a Materialist your opinion about persons who accept science is explained and, of course, entirely predictable.
Furthermore, how can one have blind faith in evolution when various sciences all use it? I know someone who works at ExxonMobile and their methods of finding oil rely on evolution's timeline. Chevron drills specifically in areas where it is believed to have been high concentrations of ancient plankton which was compressed into oil. Care to explain how two of the largest fossil fuel companies in the world are using 'blind faith?' Or are you going to simply pretend it doesn't exist, plug your ears and go "i'm not listening?"
You have misunderstood.
Evolutionary theory is not science, but scientism.
The issue is the inclusion of evolution to be part of science.
Ray

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