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Minnemooseus
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Message 16 of 46 (7600)
03-22-2002 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Mister Pamboli
03-22-2002 12:44 AM


I'm not familiar with Bablefish, but I'll raise the question:

If we were to run Brad's messages through it enough times, and enough languages, might the random mutations cause the message to evolve into something that makes sense?

Moose

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BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe


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Message 17 of 46 (7638)
03-22-2002 1:21 PM
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03-22-2002 1:04 AM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
I'm not familiar with Bablefish...

This may be what Mr P means...

http://babelfish.altavista.com

On another note I think Babelfish are from Douglas Adams Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy series....

They translate speech hence the name Babel (as in tower of) fish...

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03-25-2002 4:58 AM
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03-22-2002 1:04 AM


"I'm not familiar with Bablefish, but I'll raise the question:

If we were to run Brad's messages through it enough times, and enough languages, might the random mutations cause the message to evolve into something that makes sense?"
--LoL!
--Mabye a good dosage of microwaves to sizzle someone's mutating brain could manifest a series of coherent phrases. Oh wait, I forgot, nerve cells don't replicate, though I'm sure all them microwafers should cook up some good nucleiotide soup. Or mabye some fried Ribo-Ribbs out of the primordial wok.

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Brad McFall
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Message 19 of 46 (7877)
03-26-2002 1:10 PM
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03-22-2002 12:30 AM


I just began this writing to

Regardless of the selection for a gradual insertion of plastids and mitochondria locating the descent in time, procaryotes become less hidden as such Meyerowitz makes an astute and correct conclusion "Although the logic underlying many developmental processes is similar" and it is this logic that will be history for protenomics companies that change business plans from information sharing out of a genomic scope become the metrics driven pattern of information processing that changes in life sciences can foster without needing the particular views of evolution as such in a more proper comparison of plants and animals and microbes developing the trajectory but not the orbit.

What is fundamental here for the orbit of plant and animal and procaryotes (perhaps lichens MOVE to Earth while birds and angiosperms alter towards the Sun??) is the geometry of descent the logic horizontally at least supplies, in this case, plastids and/or mitochondira, but the area aside, developmental biology does have a common embryology and biologic logic that is independent of organic solvent dissolution intuition and animates public stock options in bio-tech firms advertisments' is.

The mechanism of bioentropisms have not been implemented but clearly this common logic that p1485 "the molecules that carry out the logical plan are unrelated, or represent novel arrangements of ancient protein domains" that splits topobioloigcal thought topologically is lumpable whether by gradual phenomenology or fast selection. Electricity goes across this diverse domain in the region of any electron likewise moving in the same space as the mitochondria or plastid as per cellular dynamics truely comparative in the topography but not geography! And any economic gain per business techno-bioloigcally seeks the e-commerce to retain proprietarily this kinematics as leverage was.

It is entirely possible to imagine contra Meyerwitz that outside any not more developmental comparison magnetic or not that momentos Galileo correlate (would be found to correlate if cause) effectively even hidden microbes not compared yet enzymatically derived geonomically but this requires some strucutre as Croizat for instance serialized in STF64. This logical instrument of thought however, is blocked academically from seeing the light of day because ownership is supposed to go from university to industry and not from patient to doctor. A new economic is needed in bioinformatics and this is socially possible wihout needing to support either Newton's Day 4 of GOD or Dariwin's as Mayr has him will not be.

Bio-technology needs to recognize techno-biology else one risks confusing in this comparison three primary color psychology with 3 soma pigments of animals and thus exclude some of those hidden biologic changes that exist in the identification process.. There is a confusion of information of communication and communication of information here and relying on intellectual property law or copyrights mechanism is no substitute for the pulley it was else every subspecific differentiation verified would need be patentable as should.

The university is to blame and must reform which for creative reasons it is in less position to do than industry so for the future of agriculture during this invelopment of biomass productivity shifr, a government (on same as in electronics that Japan currently does) is called to assit the efficiency of an inadequate insitution (the modern research college) so that food for thought and bile is available to all and not distributed on a shifting scale of medical returns as ought not.

The private sector by use of distributative education is in need to found for the future of agricuture over any IT interest not only freedom of publication, but full disclosure of data underlying technical improvements (no matter the fall out) of its own newly created self-policing guild by repeling the adminastrators of these elite 3 schools WITHOUT actually attracting any proffesors but rather educating students in a way the old-school research university because of its SECULAR burden can not out compete or out source our current higher education is as is not made to target the species that has best survival actuality but rather to buttress the health and welfare of the rich on the assumption that if the poor emulate the rich the poor can become rich. This is not the economic at work biologically. If ants are the species we are going to come down the strech with then bioprocessing engineering needs to be geared to entomology and not a particular human races' personalized disease. We do not have enough money invent only in crises mode, on global warming, nanobot released food web-collapse, radioactive fallout for more MAD etc as to be so proud as the rich want the poor to be. So help us God.

If ecophysiology is "to predict the future impact of mankind on living organisms, we need to know how organisms become adapted to a rapidly changing world and determine the limitations of adaptive processes." then in the above business plan I haved indicated a possible solution that looks at the boundary of molecular free-path lengths to bind any of these limitations which woul dbe the targeted use of the logic under development and in history. Certainly, in the logic of biodiversity informatics in the context of bioinformatics this decision is programmable by the use of the virial no matter the attraction or repulsion conceived to sphere a virtual reality invasiveness less pernicious than the elite control of higher education that is no higher in this sense of any adaptive pattern this specification is likely also to speak out ( I know) implemetable. There will be a whole plethora of path instrumentation retrofitted onto present technologies of data capture and storage should the chemical intuition be also so applied in one company affirmed but should the effort continue to be distributed because of universal rejection of the eco-justice remaining sustainable the biologic change may in fact to be found not as comprehensive and human social restraint clearly emerging from the data such luxuray as millions of years may suffer. This is not the time to bash creationists but to bring the next 100 yrs the past gift under Bill Clinton's bed unless of course Monica is given an opt out of Earth migration route with some Russian Cosmonaut....

Regardless as some predictions of ecophysiology are sustained by a NEON like community infrastructure retained ecosystem engineering may be thought capable of moving out the bedroom hack and cross national boundaries in so far as biology is currently that far flung wing dispersed form the distribution so deduced not disseminated. The confusion within bio-tech wall street on how to aportion genomic and protenomic departments would then be resolvable into a common goal (not XML) of global agriculture (no matter the CU or Rutgers etc) , green-house gases reductions, so as to lessen impact once fighting sects are militarily shown the solution is to green the planent rather than swaping weapons techincally leaving any pirating to be shucked corn of dinner plate asteriod colonies that input in an accountable way no matter their deviance to the Mother Earth Economy ( My own view is that Mars should be stationed for telescope lab object of increasing accuracy of asteriod orbit dynamics and all efforts to outer space narrowed rather than broadened in this sense but the tensions may not be that easily resolved as throwing off to asteriods rather than Australia (pressures)(that is not a political but biogeographic comment)) despite the loss of centralization that such solar system explorers may enjoin but certainly not enjoy since have to make a life and repoduce in space is not Edenic fall of gravity. At this time transmission genetics and physiological genetics will be one but molecular biology need not answer all ecophysiological inquires as other techincal changes may show that we we far to near sighted and not beautiful enough to call a frog-leg a device and that religion has a place in the future as it would have been wrong, right humanity beyond some evolved myth in the right or left brain of some far sighted person conversely. I have my onw speculations on Wright's immigration pressure in this regard to Kant's alien who would be Kant's slime rather no matter which Critique is read as categorized of astronauts dillema psycholigcally on looking at Earth from their INNER space not already there!!!!!!!!!!!!!**********evolved myth of the astronaut lineage of civilization out netural evolution.

Book being written on this base contains 9 sections
1)6DOF virials2)Electric Fish Behavior3)Cantor and Fourier Analysis
4)Electrotonic State5)Wright and Ecosystem engineering6)Parallel Processing
7)Snake Taxogeny8)Macrothermodynamics9)Fourier's Heat

Now though I put more effort in my postings here than on TS if this is still not clear enough let me know and with another cycle I will try to conclude the paragraphing with less passive voice.

Just so that you know that I do not bash E. Mayr unnecessarily you should be able to suspect, I mean I suspect, that Mayr's scholarship as it has always been verifyable to me (outside opinion, polemics etc) is that he misspoke to me in 87 using his anti-essentialist argument for which was the last remaining philosophy of as he, Mayr 'bats' it as COSMIC TELEOLOGY. I understood him to criticize me as not being a population thinker, which is "patently" false but I do understand the slew of CU profs he was speaking to about the actual lack of Bohr's "aquosity". The problem I had was that I THINK much more physically than biologists but I read physics much less so than chemists. That is simply the quirk of biology containing both quality and quantity and no genetic reduction overall biogeographically. I was influenced in my teen-age years by Penrose Twistor's on PBS which to this day I still can not disasociate from Maxwell's imaginary representation of Faraday's unaccouted research program by vortexs which speaks to me a differnt ethology than that which is narrowly filtered from BULL FROG evoked response physiology and extenstion by analogy to other forms still within Newton's audibles vs visibles. This is not Bohr's Aquosity but some casuation with Helmholtz and thermodymanics of biologic change sperates the gap. There is no special creation here. But out of the objected teleology, Kantian or otherwise, I am slowly coming to a resolution of my conflict with Mayr that was Blind to Gould by applying daily Croizat to my thought. I think, but do not have confirmed, that Mayr scholarship is wheeled to keep Croizat work out from influence in Biology. If this is the soure or a sink of Mayr then my undergraduate work was wrongly committed the form of a cartoon. In 87 on asking Mayr about a curve from the line made straight somehow in the data base I never got but had been promised I concluded that no matter the ontogentic error in the data that could contributed to "hidding" some bio-change that was the goal to expose etc the ADULT recorded data in the line that no matter the statistics applied to use during the interpretation HAD TO FALL INSIDE A CROIZAT GENERALIZED TRACK.

That is the reason I got kicked out. It wa becasue I concluded something the proffesionals had not been able to. The reason? A-they read and worked off of ciruclated curricula without going to the library for the answer. And now that Mayr seems to have removed the philosphical realism of natural selection from Darwin it seems that it can only be for my being a Chruch ELDER that this happened to me. YOu see I am in agreement with Mayr on much just as Croizat was not in disagreement with him about his understanding of birds. The is by observation still and not theory as the plan above attempts to set forth and depended simply on the change in thought about what consitutues a speices in herpetology on looking at Scanning Electron Microscopy of snake scales. The logic is likely Galileo's (telescope) and not the Woodger functor I likely have biased without support.

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Message 20 of 46 (7968)
03-29-2002 1:53 AM
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03-26-2002 1:10 PM


...Too much caffine there Brad? (intensly long post there!)

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Brad McFall
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Message 21 of 46 (7993)
03-29-2002 2:43 PM
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03-29-2002 1:53 AM


tRUTH SOME times. back to you.
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Message 22 of 46 (7997)
03-29-2002 2:57 PM
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03-29-2002 2:43 PM


"tRUTH SOME times. back to you."
-- lol, yeah, I think 1:53 AM tells you how much caffine is flowing through my system

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The Barbarian
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Message 23 of 46 (8004)
03-29-2002 8:07 PM


To quote Kennzeichnen V. Kettlichheit:

"Independently of it the logic, which is many is underlying, development processes " similarly and it is this logic, which is not a special creation here. But from one genomic area here and building out the Metrik propelled samples of the information of communication and communication of the information becomes on law of the mental property or copyright unit, is not not higher in this direction. Each possible electron, which moves likewise horizontal into the accessories of the logic at least, in this direction of any flexible sample this specification, is to be probably also, spoken out (I white), implemetable.

It inputs, but molecular biology needs to answer, not quite cophysiological itself inquired, while others can show techichal modifications that we are aligned far we to close and not on a shifting scale of the medical return like not distributed.

The private sector by means of virial most indifferently, the Critique is read, how categorizes. Astronaut dillema psycholigcally on regarding scanning electron microscopy of the queue scales. The logic is probable Galileos (telescope) and distributed not on a shifting scale of the medical return, as is not. The private sector by means of the astronaut descent of the civilization out netural development. The book, which is written on this lower surface, contains the behavior 3)Cantor with 9 of the sections 1)6DOF fish virials of the 2)Electric and the technique 6)Parallel of the status 5)Wright and the ecological system of the Fourieranalyse 4)Electrotonic, the heat 7)Snake Taxogeny 8)Macrothermodynamics9)

Fouriers finished:
Now, although I use more effort here in my postings, as on TS, if this yet enough did not leave me to know is free and with another loop tries I, the in paragraph divides with fewer passive voice to conclude. Even with it mental impetus and Galle enough are available for all and not beautiful to designate a frog leg have a unit and this religion a workstation in the same workstation, which can require to become the Rich levers richly. This is not bores Aquosity however any casuation with Helmholtz and thermodymanics the biological modification the sperates distance.

It gives no special creatio n here. But from mass migration way with any Russian Cosmonaut out..., Thought lot, during some forecasts ecological system technique maintained by Oekophysiologie by NEON such as community infrastructure to be supported, been can do meant capable of moving from the bedroom notch and - cross, which, state borders, if it is current as biology that far hurled wing form thus absent-minded did not verb-ride the distribution, derived. Disorders within bio bio tech barrier Street up as to genomic and protenomic departments aportion then in general target (not XML) global agriculture (no material the cu or the Rutgers etc.), reductions of greenhouse gas resolvable are it, so that to be found not as, the complete and human social delimitation. Obviously from the data emerges, which could contributed " to the Hidding " some, that was biomodified blindly to Gould, by applying daily Croizat at my thought. I think, but E. Mayr does not strike violently, unnecessarily, who you somapigmenten for telescope laboratory message of the increasing accuracy of the aster iodine course dynamics and all efforts to narrowed rather umlautish space as in this psychology primary color of the comparison three with 3 the animals and the microbes extended be stationed should, which do not develop the flight path however functor the Woodger. "


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Message 24 of 46 (8007)
03-29-2002 11:25 PM
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03-29-2002 8:07 PM


I found an awesome suitable site for BcFall and Barbarian, I thought I would share it with ya:

http://www.caffeinearchive.com/toomuchcoffee.html


http://www.tooninn.com/toon/tmcm.htm

--I couldn't help, nor contain myself

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Message 25 of 46 (8017)
03-30-2002 8:57 AM
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03-22-2002 12:30 AM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
seriously i think brad managed to kill 100000 of my brain cells with just that post.

Me too, and I didn't even get a buzz in return.


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Brad McFall
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Message 26 of 46 (8022)
03-30-2002 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Mister Pamboli
03-22-2002 12:44 AM


Yes this is an interesting post.

By reading a sentence or two in the begininng and at the end I will say a few things before I completely take the thing in.

Quine's "ordinal strength" by sticking to classes and avoiding a lot of the troublesome things with Infinity will help in the way dynamical biology can be "strengthed" Beyond say what is currently happening at Princeton under Levin bath patch diffusion of materials leadership for it is far from clear that Feynman would have been right about biology in this alleomorph, multiple alleles per locus (place) truth of the post-Lavosier not fixed air that Dobshanky called gene "pool". The Jury is still out on Bohr's "aquosity" but if one simply takes the ONE KINEmatic to be the zip/unzip DNA for out Newton's LINEAR inertia then the Maxwell account no matter the nano tube size can continue in the SAME dynamic if the Galileo momento be found to be the same in that thought cardinal.

As soon as cardinal and ordinal a divided the same problem of dominace and recesiive traits "crops up". This may all be done with Quine, but there are alternatives and the 3 dynamic position I take for the one interaction Internet is likely to any Transfinite GENETICs I may have begun to propose. It is clear that with a Darwinized Macrothermodynamics all this and more is possible to bring mole bio more in the natural hisotry tradition. It will not come more the way of fossils but of deductive biogeography with fossil finds changing views on discovery rather than discipline.


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Brad McFall
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Message 27 of 46 (8023)
03-30-2002 1:29 PM
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03-29-2002 8:07 PM


Actually, barb

It was higher, you should not have looked under the pot.

I did not say how to think perverted about angular vectors which may be scalars acutually to the biologist and as for special creation the judge and not the jury is out on that one too. See it is above


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The Barbarian
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Message 28 of 46 (8026)
03-30-2002 8:43 PM
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03-30-2002 1:29 PM


To quote Kennzeichnen V. Kettlichheit:

"By reading a program sentence or two in the natural hisotry tradition, it does not come the way, which can be dynamic biology " strengthed ". beyond which up-to-date with Princeton under bath modification on object program diffusion (atomization) the Levin of the material guidance for it occurs, is far from free space that Feynman over biology in this would have been right alleomorph.

Repeated alleles per truth of the place (workstation) of the unpleasant things with infinity help in the natural hisotry tradition ** time out ** it will not come more d way dynamically biology to be able to have " strengthed " over legends which to be up-to-date occurred with Princeton under Levin bath modification at the object program diffusion (atomization) of material guidance for it to be far from space the Darwinized Macrothermodynamics all this and more to be possible to get mole bio more in d EQUAL dynamically if d Galileo momento its to be found to have d zip/unzip DNA for from Newton LINEAR schwungkraft then d Maxwell account no material d nano container size can continue.

In this type, which can be dynamic biology ", strengthed " beyond legends, which occurs up-to-date with Princeton under Levin. Bath modification to object program diffusion (atomization) of the material guidance for it is far from free space, which with a Darwinized Macrothermodynamics, which is all this and is more possible, around more to get the mole, which is imdynamischen SAME ONE bio. If the Galileomomento is found, around zip /unzipcDna for from LINEAR schwungkraft the Newton's to be then Maxwell account material, cannot continue the nano-container size in the natural hisotry tradition.

She does not come any longer the way, which can be dynamic biology. Inadequate workstations explain frequently ridiculous stories. Early 1984 spent I unite nights at the end. I legend some things, before I take completely the thing inside. Quine " order strength " by sticking to the categories and the avoidance of a quantity original wok. " ordinal number " by sticking to the categories and the avoidance of a quantity did not repair air post office Lavosier that Dobshanky designated gene " pool ".

The jury is to eat still out to noon. RTakes SOME cINEmatic to its the same in this thought cardinal. As soon as cardinal and ordinal number and the Pope divided are, the same problem harvests dominace and recesiive features " above ". this can everything with Quine be done, but there is to have probably begun alternatives and the dynamic position 3, which I take for to dependency an Internet, is to each possible transfinite GOONETICs I can, in order to suggest.

Everything is more possible this and, in order to get the mole to more, which is in begininng and with dad CAN Hootel bio, which illiterrant for priests is structured. During that publishes pond ring over such confusion, since the intended function of the unpleasant things with infinity helps in begininng and in the hotel. This can be done all with Quine, but there is alternatives and the possible harmony of development summaries with catholic faith."


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Brad McFall
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Message 29 of 46 (8068)
04-01-2002 1:39 PM
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B, this is a test to see if posting within the thread works. If it does, P- then i would conclude some problem with the New Site searcH.
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Message 30 of 46 (8070)
04-01-2002 1:56 PM
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04-01-2002 1:39 PM


Hi Brad!

Are you still having difficulties? If so, then if you haven't already, please send me email describing the steps you followed when you were unable to post. I'm unable to duplicate any problem myself at this time.

--Percy


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