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Message 40 of 207 (501950)
03-08-2009 8:47 PM

Reply to: Message 39 by Kelly
03-08-2009 8:37 PM

Re: I think it makes sense

Hi Kelly,

Kelly writes:

I think it makes sense that those who adhere to creation science would be Christians by the majority.

Actually anyone that does not believe the universe is eternal in existence believes in creation science.

The universe has always existed or it came into existence.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 42 of 207 (501957)
03-08-2009 10:05 PM

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03-08-2009 9:27 PM

Re: defining terms

Hi Ned,

NoseyNed writes:

If you use CS as you are then what do we call the fundamentalists who want the Bible taught in public schools and are willing to lie to get by constitutional limits?

Most of what you call fundamentalists I would call false prophets.

Now as far as those who want the Bible taught in public schools I would probably call them idiots.

If they belong to a True New Testament Church they need to teach the Bible in their churches instead of substituting their worldly programs.

I have never advocated the Bible be taught in public schools.

The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ is the only institution that has the authority to preach, or teach the Word of God.

Secular man is not qualified to teach God's Word.

End of rant.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 156 of 207 (502373)
03-11-2009 10:46 AM

Reply to: Message 153 by NosyNed
03-11-2009 10:32 AM

Re: Creastion Science -- details

Hi Ned,

NoseyNed writes:

So CS says life was created suddenly in a number of distinct forms? Yes?

I don't know what CS says but the Bible teaches me that there was more than one time.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 159 of 207 (502380)
03-11-2009 11:46 AM

Reply to: Message 158 by Stile
03-11-2009 10:58 AM

Re: Is it Science?

Hi Stile,

Stile writes:

Any and all scientists (those who do not allow their world-view to corrupt their conclusions) all agree with the exact same answer -> Evolution. They all agree that creation science is not science. They all agree that creation science is not science because it allows its world view to corrupt its conclusions.

Upon what do you base this assertion?

I want to analyze this statement and you can correct me if I am misunderstanding you.

All scientist agree with the same exact answer -> Evolution.

If a scientist don't agree with this group they are not a scientist as they are letting their world view corrupt their conclusions.

Is this what you are saying?

Could it possibly be that they look at the same information and come to different conclusions?

Stile writes:

But that's just it. We are all on equal-footing to start with.

And, yes, creationists do experiments, testing and studying.

But that's where the similarities end.

Creationists then add in the additional information from their world view to skew their findings into a particular conclusion.

So you are saying these scientist who believe in creation do scientific experiments studying and testing. Just like the real scientist.

But since they don't reach the same conclusion their conclusion is tainted by their world view.

But on the other hand the scientist that does not believe in creation is immune to his/her world view affecting his/her conclusions.

Is that what you are saying?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 190 of 207 (502460)
03-11-2009 4:35 PM

Reply to: Message 163 by Stile
03-11-2009 12:09 PM

Re: Is it Science?

Hi Stile,

Stile writes:

Two people can start with the same information (2+2) and end up with differing conclusions (4 or say... 5). But one of them is wrong.

They could both be wrong also.

Stile writes:

So you are saying these scientist who believe in creation do scientific experiments studying and testing. Just like the real scientist.

You really got this from what I said? That's pretty much the opposite of what I said.

Well yes. But you concluded their experiments were tainted with their world view. I don't know how you could determine that without being a mind reader.

Stile writes:

But on the other hand the scientist that does not believe in creation is immune to his/her world view affecting his/her conclusions.

Where do you get this stuff?
That's not what I said.
I said that "doing science" is when you control and ensure that your world view does not affect your conclusions.

You said in Message 181

Stile writes:

And, yes, creationists do experiments, testing and studying.

But that's where the similarities end.

Creationists then add in the additional information from their world view to skew their findings into a particular conclusion.

Science doesn't do that.

You said they do experiments, testing and studying.

Then you asserted they add in the additional information from their world view which taints their conclusion.

Then you assert science does not do that.

The only man that does not let his world view effect his thinking and findings is a dead man.

In Message 168 you state: "Little Dogs to Big Horses"

How about little horses to BIG horses as in my avatar?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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