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Jester4kicks
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Message 165 of 207 (502395)
03-11-2009 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Kelly
03-11-2009 10:36 AM


Re: Is it Science?
Kinda late in the game here... but I've seen this argument come up a lot recently, and it's incredibly odd to me.
There will never be the possibility of proving either position (Creation or Evolution) because of the fact that origins happened in the past and cannot be revisited in any real concrete fashion. It will forever remain in the past and be something we can only hypothesize about.
How far back do you apply that alleged inability to understand the past?
If you happen upon a tree in the forest, uprooted and laying on the ground, do you assert that we can never know what happened to that tree? Do you assume the tree just appeared on the earth in the exact position it is currently in? What if further analysis determined the tree had been dead for a while, and damage to the roots indicated some kind of insect infestation that weakened its base?
What if all the evidence pointed to a particular conclusion? Would you dismiss that conclusion simply because whatever happened must have happened in the past?
If so... how far back do you draw the line of our inability to understand the past, and what criteria do you use to make that determination?
Here's another example... let's say the area currently known as Yellowstone National Park had never been discovered. 50 years from now, we finally find it and see the areas that had previously been destroyed by forest fires, and some that had since regrown.
Are you saying that we are unable to apply our current understanding of forest fires and biology to those areas to explain why there is this otherwise-unexplained burned section of forest?

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Jester4kicks
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Message 179 of 207 (502429)
03-11-2009 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Kelly
03-11-2009 12:27 PM


Re: That's a good question
Actually, that's a bit at the heart of the debate between evolution and creation, isn't it?
In answer to your question, let's go with billions of years...
Ok, so how many billions? Can we understand what happened 1 billion years ago, but not 3 billion years ago? Can we understand what happened 1.8 billion years ago, but not 2.1 billion years ago?
Where do you draw the line, and what criteria do you use for drawing that line?
Also, if you are saying that we CAN understand what happened in the past (in the time since your alleged point of inability to do so), does that mean that you accept those scientific explanations?

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Jester4kicks
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Message 180 of 207 (502431)
03-11-2009 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Son
03-11-2009 1:37 PM


Re: Nice arrangement
Btw what do flying squirrels have? Wings or legs?
Flying squirrel - Wikipedia
You beat me to it! I was about to cite that exact example! LOL!

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Jester4kicks
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Message 198 of 207 (502479)
03-11-2009 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Kelly
03-11-2009 5:21 PM


Re: Thanks Modulous
Now that we have straightened all this out, I wonder if anyone will seriously consider the content of the article? Probably not.
How about getting back to the other side of this discussion?
Message 179
Edited by AdminModulous, : edited long url down to dBcode

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