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Message 5 of 85 (199787)
04-16-2005 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by arachnophilia
04-16-2005 6:21 PM


Re: let's talk about the OTHER conspiracy for a second
it's up to the teachers and professors to educate people so that they understand what science is about, and why these arguments are appeals to ignorance. in short, to install their "bullshit detectors" correctly.
While the job may well fall on teachers and professors, it is really the duty of all of us, including Mr. Baxley. Every one of us needs to be constantly checking our BS detectors to make sure they are working properly.
If there is a conspiricy, I fear that it is those who do not want to offend, who fear to tell Mr. Baxley that he is simply wrong.

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Message 7 of 85 (199790)
04-16-2005 6:49 PM
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04-16-2005 6:46 PM


Re: let's talk about the OTHER conspiracy for a second
I think you are right. And I would say that the group that holds his opinion is growing. We are very close to the Age of Simplification.

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jar
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Message 12 of 85 (199926)
04-17-2005 3:08 PM


Should Tusko be banned!
I find a disturbing trend in this thread by Citizen Tusko. He has come dangerously close to exposing three of the Twelve Secrets. In addition, the very mention of the Sanctorum Sanctorum could well lead to the inadvertent exposure of the Opertum.
Can we any longer afford such risks or should we immediately take steps to assure that we return to the Sanctioned Response of "Eheu, litteras istas reperire non possum". Can we continue to ask "Estne tibi forte magna feles fulva et planissima?" when the forces of evil are at our doorstep? Shall we speak "Ex cathedra"or "Ex cearulo" when "Ex curia"?
Acta est fabula, plaudite!

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jar
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Message 19 of 85 (200541)
04-19-2005 8:37 PM
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04-19-2005 5:56 PM


If I were a Jew
I'd be pissed as hell at Moses. He dragged us away from good homes and three square, pulled and pushed our asses all over the desert and mountains, kept us away from the promised land until every one of us that started out died and then dumped us in the one place in the Middle East that has no oil.

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jar
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Message 41 of 85 (203817)
04-29-2005 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Limbo
04-29-2005 7:08 PM


If you want to understand why creationists often voice the concern that there is an overarching conspiracy of atheist scientists, then you have to put yourself in their shoes and walk for a mile. Simple as that.
Chances are that most athiests can't or won't do that. So I will do it for you.
You make the classic mistake of thinking that the opposition to Creationism comes from atheists. Not so. The most vocal opposition to Creationism is from Christian Churches. That's why every major Christian denomination in the US opposes teaching Creationism and supports teaching the TOE.
Strict adherence to the various creation stories in Genesis is not just BAD Science, it's Worse Theology.

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jar
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Message 43 of 85 (203839)
04-29-2005 8:54 PM
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04-29-2005 8:36 PM


When you make an edit to your post that makes major changes in the content it's always polite to indicate what was changed and where it was changed. One way is by adding AbE (Added by Edit) comments at the bottom of the modified message showing what happened.
But you still have one other issue to deal with. Most Creationists still accept the TOE. It is only a very small subset (primarily Fundamental Christians) of creationists that have any problem with the TOE.
There is no conspiricy. There are a small group of people who are acting in a very psychotic and paranoid manner that support Creationism, but so far they have all been totally unable to provide any reasoning or evidence to support their position. They are very good at whining, often VERY good at public oration and exposition, but have NO evidence, no support, nothing except assertions and Oratory to support their position.
They do believe that there is a conspiricy, but the reality is far more hilarity. When they put forth as their leading lights Dr. Dino, the Discovery Institute, ICR or CRS the only possible reaction is one of hilarity.
GOD gave man brains. He expects us to use them and not check them at the door.

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jar
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Message 52 of 85 (204106)
05-01-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Limbo
05-01-2005 10:03 AM


If they know enough to know that there is nothing in there against polyester and cotton (or whatever) blend trousers (which there isn't) then they won't percieve a threat to their worldview.
Actually, it's Wool blend and it is an abomination. It most certainly is in there.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Leviticus 19:19
19: Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

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jar
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Message 54 of 85 (204118)
05-01-2005 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Limbo
05-01-2005 1:02 PM


If its in the old testament, then as I said Christ tore that veil.
Sorry but that is a totally unsupported assertion. Do you think that when Jesus, Paul, Peter, Luke, Mark, Matthew, John, Mary, or Thomas spoke of scripture they were speaking of the New Testament? If so, perhaps you could explain?
And you've brought up the DAVID KLINGHOFFER example before. It's crap and whining. Enough of these old cry-baby stories, bring us some NEW cry-baby stories.

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jar
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Message 56 of 85 (204139)
05-01-2005 4:04 PM
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05-01-2005 3:33 PM


I'd love to reply since you simply don't have a clue what I understand about Christianity, but that is way OT for here. LOL
But if you ever come up with some evidence for a conspiricy of scientists, do let us know.

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jar
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Message 59 of 85 (204202)
05-01-2005 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Limbo
05-01-2005 10:04 PM


Re: The biggest clue
Please offer support for your assertion of fear.
Please offer evidence of Anti-ID Hate?

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jar
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Message 68 of 85 (204320)
05-02-2005 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Limbo
05-02-2005 12:26 PM


Time to actually support your assertions.
What they REALLY fear is that if there is ANY validity to the belief in a creator, they will have to change their sinful lifestyle, recognize an authority, and abandon their god-less worldview.
Sorry, but not only is that statement unsupported assertion, it's laughable.
The TOE says nothing about the existence or non-existence of any creator.
Science says nothing about the existence or non-existence of any creator.
Scientists come in Theologic and Atheist and Agnostic forms.
You have not yet provided any evidence to even suggest, much less support, a conspiricy of scientists.
It's time that you began providing support for your assertions or simply admit that you're blowing smoke.
The big reason that none of your posts have been taken seriously is that they have been absurd. You provide no evidence, you make woefully uninformed statemnts like the above quote, and when challenged to support your assertions you retreat into innuendo.

It's time to step up and finally provide some evidence.


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jar
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Message 74 of 85 (204351)
05-02-2005 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Limbo
05-02-2005 2:29 PM


Limbo, you're way afield yet again.
It's not Christian love you feel, but righteous Christian anger. Its ok to be angry at evil, and angry at people who blindly support evil.
Many of us ARE Christians.
Its funny how non-Christians always want the OTHER people to act like Christians...
Again, many of us ARE Christians.
You have been formally asked to support your assertions. One of the conditions when you joined here was to support assertions when requested. You agreed to do so.
Now it's time to support some of your assertions. Either do so or retract them. It's up to you.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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