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PaulK
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Message 226 of 238 (830606)
04-03-2018 3:44 PM
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04-03-2018 3:06 PM


Re: Evolution provides the popular imagination with reasons for racism
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The Jews of the day did call for Jesus' execution and for the release of another instead, one Barabbas. But Jesus forgave all His persecutors so there is no excuse for persecuting the Jews based on that Biblical fact.

According to Matthew the Jews took the guilt upon themselves, and all their descendants. Luke has Jesus forgive somebody but in the context it is quite likely those that were actually carrying out the crucifixion, and therefore not even Jews.

Even if you interpret it more generally it doesnít seem to be required by the text.


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Message 227 of 238 (830608)
04-03-2018 6:00 PM


Racism and anthropology
Both evolution and physical anthropology touch on human racial variation to a greater or lesser degree.

In graduate school I had a lot of both, including dedicated courses on Human Races, Evolution, as well as primates, osteology, advanced osteology and a few other closely related courses.

This served to teach the differences between human races, to the degree that many or most anthropologists no longer subscribe to previous ideas of human races. We are all one group with variation in many individual traits, most all of which form clines.

The "classic" view of races is still current among many populations but the scientific basis has been severely eroded in the last 50 or so years.

Rather than supporting physical-trait-based racism, anthropology (including evolution) are leading the fight against it.


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Message 228 of 238 (830632)
04-04-2018 1:28 PM
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04-03-2018 6:00 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
Seems to me the idea of race is pretty simple: it's the collection of traits that emerge in an isolated part of the species gene pool over years of inbreeding. In animals this often leads to inability to breed with the parent population or other populations or races for one reason or another, but humans continue to be able to interbreed. So in animals races often become new "species." But I agree, overall the idea is artificial, it's just an accident of history that a group gets isolated and inbred.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 229 of 238 (830634)
04-04-2018 2:12 PM
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04-04-2018 1:28 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
Seems to me the idea of race is pretty simple: it's the collection of traits that emerge in an isolated part of the species gene pool over years of inbreeding.

Things often seem simple when you are clueless about the issues. That way you ignore any possible complexity and just spout off simple crap. If you and ICANT would stick to being wrong about the Bible...


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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Ē

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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Message 230 of 238 (830636)
04-04-2018 2:28 PM
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04-04-2018 2:12 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
Are ad hominems all you have to offer? Why not your own understanding of race?
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Message 231 of 238 (830637)
04-04-2018 2:36 PM
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04-04-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
It should be obvious from what has already been posted that the ideas of race used by racists do not generally agree with the biological concept of races. If you havenít been following the discussion you have only yourself to blame.
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Message 232 of 238 (830638)
04-04-2018 2:44 PM
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04-04-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
I was responding to Coyote. What's your problem?
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Message 233 of 238 (830641)
04-04-2018 2:50 PM
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04-04-2018 2:44 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
You were responding to NoNukes, complaining about ďad hominemĒ again. I pointed out that NoNukes is right. You really donít understand the issues of race. Consider the ďone drop ruleĒ again and tell me that it makes biological sense.
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Faith
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Message 234 of 238 (830654)
04-04-2018 4:08 PM
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04-04-2018 2:50 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
I responded to Coyote with my understanding of how races come about. I have no reason whatever to think anything different than that. NoNukes said nothing about my description just started putting me down personally. What led you to get into this I have no idea, and I don't even know what you are talking about.
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PaulK
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Message 235 of 238 (830659)
04-04-2018 4:16 PM
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04-04-2018 4:08 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
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I responded to Coyote with my understanding of how races come about. I have no reason whatever to think anything different than that.

You responded with a biological idea which has very little to do with the idea of race in social contexts - such as dealing with racism.

quote:

NoNukes said nothing about my description just started putting me down personally

NoNukes correctly pointed out that you didnít understand the issues.

quote:

What led you to get into this I have no idea

I got into this because you were ignoring points I had already made.

quote:

...and I don't even know what you are talking about.

And thus you prove that NoNukes was correct.


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Message 236 of 238 (830671)
04-04-2018 5:50 PM
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04-04-2018 4:16 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
You responded with a biological idea which has very little to do with the idea of race in social contexts - such as dealing with racism.

There is that as the main point. There is also the point that her biological musings are equally silly and simplistic. Human beings are a single species, and in fact, a single sub-species under any possible definition. Faith is just laying her speciation does not involve mutations crap in a thread where it does not belong.

There are at least five or six open and abandoned threads where that shite can be posted. Please not here.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Ē

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Faith
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Message 237 of 238 (830672)
04-04-2018 6:28 PM
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04-04-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
Well thanks for the clarification. I had no idea what on earth you had in mind. Mutations eh? That's your excuse for the personal attack? Byond that, single species, where did I disagree with that?: Single sub-species? Under wht species?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 238 of 238 (830680)
04-05-2018 12:26 AM
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04-04-2018 6:28 PM


Re: Racism and anthropology
If you donít like people pointing out that you donít know what you are talking about it is a good idea to avoid posting things that are ignorantly wrong.
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