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Message 61 of 85 (678577)
11-09-2012 7:50 AM
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10-02-2012 12:54 PM


Ringo:

The broader point, again, is that some virus-like "thing" could have evolved a metabloism-like capability if there was some advantage to it. That possibiliy is all that is needed for abiogenesis to happen.

KOFH2u:

Church people have been schooled in the ways to argue against the theological hypothesis, that God used evolution as his method of creating the diversity of life we see today.
They think they do god a service by resisting and denigrating the Science Theory.

But they fail to acknowledge things like the clear Genesis statement which say God Spontaneous Generated first life, no real difference in the Abiogenesis of what Science espouses.

The Church people are at the cross road of either accepting that God created all life for one early spark which spread a virtual fire of different and complex species thereafter, or sticking to the rather dull insight that God meticulously, individually, and separately used an almost infinite number of Spontaneous Generations, one for every species on Earth, past and present.

I encourage the church people to realize that God is better than that.
God would use a process like Evolution rather than the drawn out and ardulous individual Spontaneous Generations, one after another over seven long Eras of "days."

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Message 62 of 85 (678600)
11-09-2012 9:32 AM
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11-09-2012 7:50 AM


kofh2u writes:

one after another over seven long Eras of "days."


Your image only shows 6 Eras of "days".

Also, the Phanerozoic can be split up into 3 eras: Cenozoic, Mesozoic, Paleozoic - like in your image.
So why is Archean not split up into Neoarchean, Mesoarchean, Paleoarchean and Eoarchean also?

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Message 63 of 85 (678654)
11-09-2012 5:23 PM
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11-09-2012 9:32 AM


Panda:
Your image only shows 6 Eras of "days".
Also, the Phanerozoic can be split up into 3 eras: Cenozoic, Mesozoic, Paleozoic - like in your image.
So why is Archean not split up into Neoarchean, Mesoarchean, Paleoarchean and Eoarchean also?

kofh2u:

Hi Mr panda...

The "first day" of the seven was BEFORE the Earth had congealed into a ball shaped solid, and was merely a spinning accretion disk, void of shape and darkness was upon the flat face of the rotating conglumearation of huge rocks.

Though a quick google often misleads readers who see the CHRONOSTRATIGRAPHIC CLASSIFICATION which is one of the three typical charts that specify the geological rock layers, the actual six layers which separate the Time between cataclysmic events like meteoric extinctions numbers six GEOCHRONOGRAPHIC CLASSIFICATIONS.

The International Commission on Stratigraphy:

See this International Commission on Stratigraphy link to the chart above:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html

Chronologic measurement:
The geologic time scale provides a system of chronologic measurement relating stratigraphy to time that is used by geologists, paleontologists and other earth scientists to describe the timing and relationships between events that have occurred during the history of the Earth.


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Message 64 of 85 (678684)
11-09-2012 8:18 PM
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11-09-2012 5:23 PM


So why is Archean not split up into Neoarchean, Mesoarchean, Paleoarchean and Eoarchean also?

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 65 of 85 (678774)
11-10-2012 10:04 AM
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Because it is an incomplete chart and is meant to show variation in size rather that categorical breakdown.
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Message 66 of 85 (678775)
11-10-2012 10:07 AM
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11-09-2012 5:23 PM


The actual chart has a different breakdown:

http://geology.com/...ogic-time-scale-one-column-cropped.gif


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Message 67 of 85 (678826)
11-10-2012 6:54 PM
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11-09-2012 8:18 PM



So why is Archean not split up into Neoarchean, Mesoarchean, Paleoarchean and Eoarchean also?

The Archean is subdivided into early and later deposits that took place before the major change in the environment opened the "morning" of the Proterozoic Era which came next.

That Era is likewise again, subdivided into early stages and older, as is indicated by the prefixes:


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Message 68 of 85 (678834)
11-10-2012 7:23 PM
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11-10-2012 6:54 PM


yes, so the eras in geological timescale are ten, not 6. Glad you can acknowledge this and that the original circular chart you showed was a partial list.
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Message 69 of 85 (678837)
11-10-2012 8:18 PM
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11-10-2012 6:54 PM


Hi Kofh2u,

Your numerological arguments don't bear on the topic, so please stop raising them here. They also don't bear on the other topic where you raised them, the Size of the universe thread, so you shouldn't be raising them there, either.

If you'd like to discuss numerology then please proppose a thread over at Proposed New Topics.

--Percy

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Message 70 of 85 (678840)
11-10-2012 8:29 PM
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11-10-2012 10:07 AM



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The actual chart has a different breakdown:

No.
The breakdown that merely lists one layer after the next is what that chart shows, making no distinction between what six major events which are used by scientist as the Geological Clock.

The Geological Clock is an application of the geology, and it measures six major events which separate piles of rocks from other piles of rocks.

The six events punctuate the rote listing of rock layers, some of which were massive extinction caused by large meteoric hits on Earth.

"Geologic time scale
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This clock representation shows some of the major units of geological time and definitive events of Earth history.

The Hadean eon represents the time before fossil record of life on Earth; its upper boundary is now regarded as 4.0 Ga (billion years ago).[1] Other subdivisions reflect the evolution of life; the Archean and Proterozoic are both eons, the Palaeozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic are eras of the Phanerozoic eon.

The geologic time scale is a system of chronological measurement that relates stratigraphy to time, and is used by geologists, paleontologists, and other earth scientists to describe the timing and relationships between events that have occurred throughout Earth's history.

The table of geologic time spans presented here agrees with the dates and nomenclature set forth by the International Commission on Stratigraphy, and uses the standard color codes of the United States Geological Survey."


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Message 71 of 85 (678841)
11-10-2012 8:32 PM
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Numerology...?
We are talkingabout the age of the earth and how we measure the time using the Geological clock...

Thre are many eras, but only six divisions of time according to geological events which separate them.


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Message 72 of 85 (678843)
11-10-2012 8:47 PM
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11-10-2012 8:29 PM


kofh2u writes:

This clock representation shows SOME of the major units of geological time and definitive events of Earth history.

The Hadean EON represents the time before fossil record of life on Earth; its upper boundary is now regarded as 4.0 Ga (billion years ago).[1] Other SUBDIVISIONS reflect the evolution of life; the Archean and Proterozoic ARE BOTH EONS, the Palaeozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic ARE ERAS OF THE PHANEROZOIC EON.

pwned by your own quote, sir.

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Message 73 of 85 (678844)
11-10-2012 8:49 PM
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11-10-2012 8:32 PM


Re: Numerology...?
only 4 divisions of geochronological time.

Your insistance on 6 is for numerological purposes, solely.


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Message 74 of 85 (678848)
11-10-2012 9:32 PM
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11-10-2012 8:49 PM


only 4 divisions of geochronological time.
Your insistance on 6 is for numerological purposes, solely.

Percy wants to stop this moment of education, which makes sense because people tend to just maintain a point of view when they themselves know they just now googled to try and check this out.

Do some real research and thinking and make yourself more infromed about the difference between measuring the age of each rock layer and using the rock layers to measure the history of the earth.

You will come to agree with me, but for Percy, I will not try to teach you the difference between Chronostratigraphy and Geochronology.


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Message 75 of 85 (678850)
11-10-2012 9:41 PM
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11-10-2012 9:32 PM


brother, you don't know the difference.

You don't even know the difference between eras and eons.

You can't educate on a topic you are ignorant about.


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