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Author | Topic: Creation Science In Schools: Give Us A Lesson Plan | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Quetzal Member (Idle past 5872 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
keith: Do me two favors, please.
1. Give the "argument from quote mine" a rest. Nobody's interested in playing that game here. Even on the thread Moose closed, it is highly unlikely I would have responded to your massive cut-and-paste of spurious quotations which were either out-of-context, out-of-date, unverifiable, secondary or tertiary sources, or simply wrong in light of current science. How it works here is: YOU develop an argument. Provide verifiable citations in support of your argument. Then respond directly to refutations or discussion of your argument by addressing the points/counterpoints/questions raised by your respondants. 2. Take your fossil argument to an appropriate thread, or open a new topic. My suggestion would be open a new topic in the Evolution forum. However, you're still going to need to develop a specific argument that doesn't rely exclusively on quotations or someone elses' essay. Thanks.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7013 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Heh, thanks everyone. It was pretty easy, I just did a quick google search of EVC for random keywords, and looked at what YECs were arguing with
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi,
I think what Dan was asking for was a lesson plan on what and how teachers would teach Creationism in science classes. Now, as any teacher knows, every lesson plan needs its aims and objectives, perhaps you could present a small unit of six lessons complete with aims and objectives of each lesson? I really do not think that concentrating on trying to discredit evolution automatically makes creation true, all this does is show your bias against evolution. What you would need to do is produce some lessons, including some practical work of course, that gives support to creation, how you are going to recreate creatio ex nihili in a science lab I have no idea. But this is exaclty what you are expecting kids to swallow, what would you say if one asks' Excuse me sir, how do you get something from nothing?' Would you say 'God can do anything?', this is not science, it is philosophy/theology and is taught in every school in the UK. If you think it would be difficult to teach creatio ex nihili without a class of students wetting themselves laughing, you should try teaching the Judeo/Xian creation myth to 30 x 14 year olds in a compulsory Religious Education lesson in Scotland. Brian.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Sounds like a fancy way of avoiding the issue. I would like to know how this is considered a bogus list. I have read many of these books and I think these scientists are working at major universities. Dr. David Menton works in St. Louis at Washington University in their Anatomy department. One of my colleagues had him as an instructor. I still don't know why evolutionists seem to be so scared of intelligent design? They always attempt to prevent it from being mentioned in the classroom.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
Sounds like a fancy way of avoiding the issue. I would like to know how this is considered a bogus list. I have read many of these books and I think these scientists are working at major universities. Dr. David Menton works in St. Louis at Washington University in their Anatomy department. One of my colleagues had him as an instructor. I still don't know why evolutionists seem to be so scared of intelligent design? They always attempt to prevent it from being mentioned in the classroom. We (ie us evos) would gladly talk about your topic of discussion, but it would be more appropriate in a separate thread. Read the original post (post#1) and judge for yourself how well your post adds to the discussion. In fact, I will gladly be the first respondent, if I happen to beat everyone else to it. Threads do tend to wander a bit on this site (I am as guilty as any) but your post was a totaly divergence. Again, feel free to start a new thread and add a little of your own commentary in addition to the large amount of cut and paste.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7013 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
New thread started over in Is It Science: Are Scientists Abandoning Evolution?
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
******if you want to move LOUDMOUTH's questions to a new thread, I'll be happy to dicontinue posting in this one haveing said two dimes worth and respond to the substance in that error exception throw forward if you want. I have done just that. I felt a little guilty for getting things somewhat off topic. It is in the Evolution forum under Dinstinguishing Baramins.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Point taken. I was simply replying to another point and got off the subject.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
ID doesn't have anything worthy of being taught in the classroom That's why they've retreated to trying to censor the evidence for evolution.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
That's your opinion. More than 80% of the public sampled seem to think otherwise. Scientist are the only population which seems to think that evolution is the only true alternative and they seem to have a religious agenda.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Scientist are the only population which seems to think that evolution is the only true alternative Given that they're the only ones in a position to actually collect and analyze the data, don't you think that says something?
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
That's your opinion. More than 80% of the public sampled seem to think otherwise. Scientist are the only population which seems to think that evolution is the only true alternative and they seem to have a religious agenda. If 80% of the population thought African Americans were less human than whites, should we have kept segragation? In science, there isn't a vote on what the truth is, truth is dependent upon the evidence. If 80% of the population said there wasn't a god, would you stop going to church? I would hope not. Majority of the Masses is a dangerous example to follow.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Funny you should mention that because that is the problem we get with evolution. Darwin thought that Blacks were inferior to whites, he also thought women were inferior to men. Hitler was an evolutionist and look what he did to the Jews and homosexuals. And there is a movement among scientists against the theory of evolution. If there was not then we would have issues comming up like Kansas, Ohio and Texas. In 100 years we will probably be laughed at for thinking that all this complexity happened by chance. The theory of evolution will be placed in its rightful place with spontaneous generation.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
So what does ID have tha you believe IS worth being taught ? You should be putting forward a lesson plan based on that.
And please remember to explain why, if scientists have a "religious agenda" Christian scientists like Kenneth Miller (yes, the co-author of the Miller and Levine text book) are strong opponetns of ID.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: And look at how the church cheered him on.
quote: For the love a' crimney... don't make Rei whip out the link for a third time today.
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