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Author Topic:   Take the state out of the schools!!!!!
joz
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Message 18 of 107 (26546)
12-13-2002 7:32 PM


Does anyone else think that Funkys mentor/apprentice vocational model sounds a little bit medieval?

joz
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Message 19 of 107 (26548)
12-13-2002 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Chara
12-13-2002 7:27 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Chara:
Define qualified.
Maybe someone who has degree in a relevant subject and is qualified to teach?
You know those who might just have a better than superficial grasp of the subject....
No offence intended Chara, homeschooling certainly seems to be working for your kids, but I don`t think that the average parent has the capacity to acquire enough knowledge in every subject to do well by their kids...
If I had to educate any putative little Joz or Jozita I could do a fricking good job on maths, sciences and probably ecconomics and history but the poor buggers would be up the creek as far as foreign languages, art and music were concerned OTOH my wife could probably do a great job on those but I wouldn`t expect a lot from her in the subjects I`m capable at....
And at least one of us would have to work in order to keep the lupine pest from the door.....
We both have university degrees in different subjects but I really don`t think we could give any child of ours a good enough shot at realising his or her potential...

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joz
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Message 29 of 107 (26681)
12-15-2002 9:19 PM


Funk I learnt a lot of things at school that I wouldn`t have been able to learn at home, largely because my teachers all had a really good grasp on what they were teaching, sure I was awfull at languages, music and art but to be perfectly honest I didn`t care then and I don`t care now, others who did care did well in those subjects so it was no lack on the teachers part....
Amongst other things I also learned (profitably) that there are more optimists than realists in poker games and that if someone is bullying a friend facing off at them won`t stop it but beating the living piss out of them will....
In fact I really enjoyed school, apart from being expected to pray and sing hymns everyday and the fact that in 3 years of mandatory religious education all but 1 term was taken up by the cult of the Nazerine carpenter....
Why the hell would I want to trade an experience like that in for home schooling for my kids?
Now Mark what you have to understand is that the education system over here is very different, first off AFAICT kids have to attend the public school in their town unless the parents want to home school or go private and for most people that just isn`t an option, this means that if a school is piss poor the parents can`t vote with their feet and take their kid down the road....
Secondly I have witnessed, heck judged, the shambles that was a "science fair" at the school where my mother in law works, it was enough to make me want to teach any child I have maths and science myself...
To say that half of the kids there did not have a clue would be an insult to people that have in fact got no clue....
The thing is as bad as the system is here I think the answer is to fix it rather than scrap it, lets just call it a different perspective from someone who grew up experiencing a system that does work....

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joz
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Message 55 of 107 (27066)
12-17-2002 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by funkmasterfreaky
12-17-2002 2:03 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
quote:
Another problem I have which you touched on is the two working parents. I think alot of the time (not all) that this is selfishness on the part of the mother. Where she is more concerned about her career than her children and shirks her responsibility as a mother to further her own personal goals...
Funk don`t take this the wrong way but I`m about to rant at you for saying that....
[rant]WHAT!!! both my wife and I work, and its a rare month when we earn enough to go out for a meal or to watch a movie together, having kids cost a lot of money so now you are saying that we have to reduce our income at the same time that we incur all that extra expenditure......
Whats better Funk a child that has a mother that works or a child that isn`t born because it can`t be afforded?
I`m going with the first one....[/rant]
More importantly Funk it sounds bloody mysoginistic to say that the mother should to stay home, why not the father? But I`ll let Schraf tear you a new one for that.....
[This message has been edited by joz, 12-17-2002]

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