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Message 13 of 127 (96648)
04-01-2004 2:17 PM
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04-01-2004 10:25 AM


Re: Kent vs AIG
Which is probably why Kent Hovind insists on spoken debates and refuses to undertake written debates.
http://www.nmsr.org/hovind.htm
On on this day of all days let us remember Onyate Man who "disproved Darwin" - at least Kent Hovind thought so...

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Message 18 of 127 (96700)
04-01-2004 5:39 PM
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04-01-2004 5:29 PM


Re: re:kent kent he's our man
Oh yes I love that one. It's so funny.
Here's the explanation. Kent Hovind doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. It's all nonsense. The Big Bang didn't involve any spinning, wasn't an explosion and the motion of the planets has to do with how our solar system formed about 9 billion years later !

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Message 51 of 127 (96997)
04-02-2004 8:08 AM
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04-02-2004 12:13 AM


I have read the material in "message 6 in RACIAL EVOLUTION 101"
Darwin *predicted* extermination. He did not say that it was desirable. And given what was happening in the world at that time - in the U.S. especially - it is hard to say that his prediction was unreasonable.
Your source only quotes the prediction: "...the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world".. True harrub tries to deny that it was a prediction - but nowhere does he provide any evidence ot suggest theat Darwin actually favoured extermination.
Here is the link to the actual article http://killdevilhill.com/srchat/read.php?f=143&i=4996&t=4996
So do you have any real evidence that Darwin was in favour of extermination ? Because Brad Harrub didn't provide any.

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Message 53 of 127 (97000)
04-02-2004 8:19 AM
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04-01-2004 11:22 PM


Kent Hovind and Taxes
The court decision transcribed here is relevant
The Hovind Bankruptcy Decision
Hovind tried to get out of paying taxes by declaring himself bankrupt.
Some choice quotes
Given this debtor's history and the documentary evidence presented, I cannot find that this debtor has any intention of complying with the Bankruptcy Code nor with the Internal Revenue Code.
...the debtor has completely ignored the eligibility requirement of 11 U.S.C. 109(e) which provides "only an individual with regular income . . . may be a debtor under chapter 13 of this title". In his own filings which were signed under a declaration under penalty of perjury that the information provided is true and correct, the debtor claimed he had no income.
The debtor having failed to file his federal income tax returns for at least the years 1989 through 1995, having resisted collection efforts by the IRS, and having provided false information in his schedules and statement of affairs in connection with this case, I find that the debtor filed this petition in bad faith and as such the petition is subject to dismissal for cause under the provisions of 11 U.S.C. 1307(c).
In other words the judge concluded that Hovind was a tax evader and that his bankruptcy claim was a sham to try to retreive items seized by the IRS for non-payment of taxes.
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Message 58 of 127 (97017)
04-02-2004 10:16 AM
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04-02-2004 10:09 AM


Re: Kent vs AIG
While I would disagree that it is High School physics - I took Special Relativity at University - Hovind is wrong.
The speed of the light relative to the bystander is the same as it is relative to the car.
Or to put it more formally the speed of light is a constant in all inertial frames of reference. I know that this is counter-intuitive and that it doesn't apply to the relatively low speeds we normally deal with but it is true nonetheless.

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Message 62 of 127 (97036)
04-02-2004 11:33 AM
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04-02-2004 11:09 AM


While I make no claims about convictions it is clear that Hovind attempted to declare bankruptcy to get out of paying taxes - or specifically to recover property and money seized as payment.
The evidence presented at the hearing paints a clear portrait of a tax protester whose sole purpose in seeking relief under chapter 13 was to obtain the release of property seized by the IRS.
Rather than appearing and producing any of the records set forth in the summons, the debtor submitted a letter to Revenue Officer Powe claiming that he is "a non resident alien to the federal government,"
(i.e. Hovind denies that he lives in the U.S.A. and denies that he is a U.S. citizen).
Notwithstanding the debtor's listing under penalty of perjury in his schedules and statement of affairs that he has no income, has no expenses, and owns no property, the evidence shows otherwise. Records from the State of Florida, Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles ("DHSMV") reflect three motor vehicles, a 1987 Mercury, 1989 GMC, and 1984 Honda titled in the debtor's name. Real property records from Escambia County, Florida reflect that the debtor and his wife purchased a home on December 16, 1993 from Ernest and Voncile Hicks and gave the Hicks, a mortgage in the amount of $60,000 encumbering the home. The testimony of Mrs. Hicks together with a closing statement from the sale, reflects a purchase price of $90,000 for the house with the debtor paying $30,369.43 down. Mrs. Hicks' testimony further established that the debtor makes regular payments on the mortgage and has in fact paid in advance on the mortgage.
If Hovind is an honest tax avoider why did he lie ? Did he forget the house ?

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Message 63 of 127 (97037)
04-02-2004 11:38 AM
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04-02-2004 11:16 AM


Re: Kent vs AIG
With regard to the first point you are dead wrong. The speed of light relative to the bystander is always c (3 * 10^8 m/s). The speed of light relative to the car is always c. That is true all the time - not just at some split second.
And I'm afraid that you misunderstand me. My point is that the ordinary addition of velocities works at low speeds - but light does NOT move at a low speed. Simple addition of velocities is NOT valid when dealing with light.

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Message 66 of 127 (97044)
04-02-2004 11:44 AM
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04-02-2004 11:39 AM


Perhaps you would like to support your claims about Darwin's ALLEGED "racial ideology".
You could start with answering my psot 51 and supporting your assertion that Darwin favoured the extermination of other races.

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Message 107 of 127 (100343)
04-16-2004 4:15 AM
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04-16-2004 12:03 AM


That was not what you said in the "RACIAL EVOLUTION 101" thread where you quoted Harrub's assertion that Darwin WAS in favour of extermination.
Do you concede that Harrub failed to adequately support his assertion ?
You may find the link to Harrub's article in my post 51 of this thread.
EvC Forum: Kent Hovind's debates, can someone help?

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Message 113 of 127 (100704)
04-18-2004 10:08 AM
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04-18-2004 9:44 AM


Racism was normal in the 19th Century. Darwin was no more racist then the majority of pwople of his culture and class.
However you have claimed that Darwin was an "ultra-racist" - something you supposedly learned from Hovind - and quoted Harrub's assertion that Darwin favoured extermination of "lesser" races.
Now has your position changed since you made the earlier assertions ?
Do you now believe that Hovind was wrong and that he misled you ?

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