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Author Topic:   AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
nator
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Message 82 of 281 (83853)
02-06-2004 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by MrHambre
02-05-2004 12:30 PM


Re: Education Level
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I agree, a mere 67% of grad students responding correctly is disgraceful. Did the other 33% do their post-grad work at Patriot College or something?
Nah, they were all Humanities and Art students.

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nator
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Message 84 of 281 (83858)
02-06-2004 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by simple
02-05-2004 3:34 PM


Re: Better Late Than Never
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May I humbly suggest that since the vast majority of Americans believe in a Creator (Yes Jesus as well, most of them!) That any compulsary education reflect that.
Gee, my Buddhist friends might have a problem with you indoctrinating their children in a religion that they do not follow.
Since there are public schools in neighborhoods where the vast majority of families are non-Christian (for example, on Native American reservations, or in Chinatown areas), don't you think that it would be rather arrogant for the government to dictate what religious indoctrination the children received?
quote:
So, then, pagans and others MINORITIES could pay well to have some private tutorage!
So, you suggest that the US force a certain Christian indoctrination on everyone's children, using everyone's tax money, even the money paid by non-christians? How Facist of you.
quote:
The seperation of church and state, I think is becoming obvious now, that the (mostly Christian) founders had in mind was more of a -let's not have one denomination, or church control the whole thing-.
As the great Cthulu said, most of our Founding Fathers were Deist, not Christian.
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Not that the -nation under God- should force paganistic theory and doctrine on helpless children.
Such as?
(Please provide your definition of "Paganistic theory")

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nator
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Message 87 of 281 (83866)
02-06-2004 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by simple
02-05-2004 10:57 PM


Re: MOSTLY CHRISTIAN?!
quote:
Founders, I think were mostly Christian, I don't know about 'fathers' you could be right, I've heard both. Nevertheless, the fact stands Christians they were. If they weren't it was so predominent a lot of folks would pretend to be.
No, the "fact" doesn't stand that they were all Christians, as you have claimed.
Quartz Hill School of Theology

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nator
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Message 88 of 281 (83869)
02-06-2004 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by simple
02-05-2004 11:08 PM


Re: plenty
quote:
The problem is not in belief but in unbelief here. Stick to the facts in all sciences, none of which include evolution at all.
Can you please provide your understanding of what evolution is and how it works?
Just want to check that you are not harboring any misconceptions.

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nator
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Message 89 of 281 (83871)
02-06-2004 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by simple
02-06-2004 1:02 AM


Re: plenty
quote:
Sometimes He works that way, other times He don't.
"Doesn't."
"...Other times he doesn't" is the correct grammar, not "...other times he don't.
quote:
However He works I don't want kid's subjected to your madness you call science, thinking it tell you things. Like it or not.
You need a comma after "works", and the correct way to make a word plural is to just add an 's'; using the apostrophe 's' makes it a posessive.
Oh, you also misspelled "compulsory" in the title of this topic.
I don't normally pick on spelling and grammar errors because we all make them from time to time, but I just couldn't resist pointing out the numerous examples you made in the light of your blanket criticisms of science.
Tell me again why I want to take your advice on how we should educate children?

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nator
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Message 93 of 281 (83883)
02-06-2004 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by mike the wiz
02-06-2004 9:43 AM


He's not arguing in good faith, mike, just spouting a lot of hot air.
When people claim to know best how children should be educated, yet make numerous spelling and grammar errors in their writing, I get cranky.

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nator
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Message 101 of 281 (83959)
02-06-2004 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by mike the wiz
02-06-2004 11:38 AM


Re: Fair enough
Well, that's why I said that I usually don't bother pointing out grammar and spelling errors; I'm just as much an offender as most of us.
It's as you concede; those in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

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nator
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Message 125 of 281 (84318)
02-07-2004 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by simple
02-07-2004 1:33 PM


quote:
I'd vote to let'm learn what they like, but if you can't respect the majority as being Christian, then just don't make it mandatory!
You do realize that the vast majority of Christians have no problem at all with science, right?
People who's faith seems to rest entirely upon their own particular simplistic interpretation of the Protestant Christian Bible, are a very tiny minority among all Christians.
The Catholic church is by far the largest Christian denomination and they have no problem with evolution, an old earth, or anything in science.

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nator
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Message 126 of 281 (84319)
02-07-2004 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by simple
02-07-2004 1:36 PM


I stand corrected, you didn't say that the Founders were all christians.

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nator
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Message 127 of 281 (84321)
02-07-2004 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by simple
02-07-2004 1:41 PM


Re: plenty
quote:
So do I have to see kids shot up with ritilin, so they can be numbed into listening to that godless education now as a result of spelling errors?
Um, how is this relevant to the conversation?

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nator
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Message 236 of 281 (86012)
02-13-2004 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by simple
02-11-2004 1:20 AM


Re: take your business elsewhere
So, is the Germ Theory of Disease anti-God?
Is the Theory of a Heliocentric Solar System anti-God?
Is the Atomic Theory of Matter anti-God?
Children are "forced" to learn these scientific theories, and none of them mention anything about God, and all of them could be interpreted as contradicting the Bible.
Do you suggest that children shouldn't be taught that germs cause disease, that the sun is the center of the solar system, and that matter is not made up of atoms?

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nator
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Message 237 of 281 (86017)
02-13-2004 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by simple
02-11-2004 8:26 PM


typical
quote:
...and then goes on to talk about the naked woman He created for him as well,...
Adam: "Huh, huh, huh, God created a nekkit womun fer me, huh, huh, huh.

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nator
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Message 239 of 281 (86023)
02-13-2004 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by simple
02-11-2004 11:08 PM


Re: you must admit..
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I think it's clear the evos are bullying.
Excuse me? It sounds to me like those Christian students were doing their best to impose their particular religious beliefs upon everyone in that class. If that isn't bullying, I don't know what is.
Tell me, if some Hindu children objected to the teaching of something in history class, and kept bringing it up in class even though she was asked not to, and then a rumor started being circulated about the teacher's religious beliefs, and then several Hindu children decided that one of them should put a Hindu religious pamplet on the teacher's desk, would the fact that the child was suspended have bothered you?

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nator
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Message 240 of 281 (86029)
02-13-2004 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by simple
02-11-2004 11:31 PM


Re: almost a wrap
quote:
I have always been taught that these boys thought they were fighting for God
Ossama bin Laden and the Taliban are fighting for God, too.

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nator
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Message 241 of 281 (86039)
02-13-2004 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by simple
02-12-2004 1:38 AM


Re: parting mouthful
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In God we trust & one nation under God -was meant to be brought up to show that The government seems to like the impression it is on God's side.
Or, that God is on our side, and that we are not communists.
quote:
And that the US is considered a christian country by many.
The US government was founded as secular with NO STATE RELIGION. That was a very important issue to the founders, because they had just broken free from England which DID have a state religion (still does) and they believed that imposing a state religion on citizens was wrong.
Read Jefferson, Madison, and Paine if you want to educate yourself on their views. (I doubt you will, though)
quote:
For starters, my humble little opinion would be to sell all the churches in the country. (Before you folks shut them down anyhow, and they get nothing out of it) Meet in halls, or beaches or something a lot cheaper.
Except that Catholics believe that they need to have their ceremonies inside a consecrated church. That's why you can't have catholic weddings outside, on the beach, etc. Already your little plan has made the largest single Christian denomination unable to practice in the way they see fit.
quote:
With the money, then use it to preach the gospel in all the world. Maybe some of it to rescue the kid's from your diobolical cluthes! I would also suggest they do not support bombing towns full of people, therefore get out of your godless military. I also suggest real boycotts maybe 50 million strong of evil activities and or products. I also suggest they protect their children at all costs from those anti Christ types who like to X out Christmas, and steal their faith. I could go on, but you may not like some of my more controversial opinions! Like the catacombs in Rome, you fight the way Christians should fight. Not dropping nuclear weapons on humanity, but trying to heal, save, and convert them to Love. You see Love is precisely, literally, unarguably, God! here is the equation, God = Love Love = God. That's why He gave His Son-Love!
Apparently, God must not want you to learn anything, use your brain, or even to tell the truth, because you surely haven't done any of these things so far.
quote:
So for the US itself, if they delare themselves (as they for the most part are-anti Christ)- then great! Sooner the better! Then everyone knows where they stand. Until they p or get off the pot, at least, I am all for having God taught, and promoting evilution outlawed! As it will be shortly anyhow all over the world, as the waters cover the sea.
"waters cover the sea?"
{Fixed two quote boxes - Adminnemooseus}
[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-13-2004]

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