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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 226 of 281 (85654)
02-12-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by simple
02-12-2004 1:58 AM


Re: parting mouthful
That Christianity is the one true religion
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Message 227 of 281 (85655)
02-12-2004 2:08 AM
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02-12-2004 2:00 AM


Re: parting mouthful
You'd have to get to know the One it's named after to understand. Then it's a little like asking, 'why do you think you mother is not trying to kill you'.
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hitchy
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Message 228 of 281 (85747)
02-12-2004 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Silent H
02-12-2004 1:14 AM


reductio ad absurdum
Thanks, holmes. What I learned about a reductio ad absurdum argument is that it disproves a position by showing the consequences of that position to be impossible or absurd. I should have said that I was using this type of argument against him, since it is his position that the consequences of evolution are absurd. Thanks again. Sorry for lying to everyone about staying away from this thread.
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Silent H
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Message 229 of 281 (85772)
02-12-2004 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by simple
02-12-2004 1:38 AM


Okay, I totally think you're just jerking everyone's chains. But in case you really believe what you have just stated...

quote:
In God we trust & one nation under God -was meant to be brought up to show that The government seems to like the impression it is on God's side.

I have already shown using FACTS that your OPINION is incorrect. I see you do not care to address them. H=1 14g=0.

quote:
anti Christ types who like to X out Christmas,

The joke is on you both. X does not remove Christ, it is shorthand. But Christmas itself is a pagan holiday anyway. I realize history is a problem for you but you might want to look it up. Christmas is not even at the right time of year for Jesus' birth. The early church simply used that to take over solstice celebrations.

quote:
you may not like some of my more controversial opinions!

Yeah, but I wouldn't worry much about them if they are as fact-deficient as all the rest of your statements.

Since you call the US mine rather than yours, can I ask where you are from and why you are so concerned about our educational system? As far as I know creo is not taught in any other educational system around the world (but I could be wrong).

I'd also ask if you have such a faith in God as you say you do, why are you so afraid about what other people think? So much so that you need the government to reinforce it?

[This message has been edited by holmes, 02-12-2004]


holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Trixie
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Message 230 of 281 (85886)
02-12-2004 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by simple
02-11-2004 8:26 PM


Re: leave room for zoom
So, you're saying that the order of Creation is the order given in Gen 1, that order being plants, animals then man. So how come in Gen 2 that God says
"(Gen 2; 18-22) And the Lord God said "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make a helpmeet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all the cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field: but for Adam there was not an helpmeet for him"

Now, if the order in Gen 1 is correct how can you reconcile it with the above quote?? If he made the animals to stop Adam being lonely, then how come Gen 1 says the animals were already made before Adam was. Therefore Adam couldn't be "lonely". If Genesis is to believed literally, does that mean that both versions of Genesis are correct, irreconcilable as they are, or that God made a mistake when he said
"It is not good that man should be alone"

I'm well aware that they weren't being created again in Gen 2, they were only created once (if you believe in Creation), therefore there can only be ONE order in which Creation occurred.

The only way out of this dilema that I can see is to acknowledge that you can't take every word of Genesis to be correct - it's either one or the other and to be honest, if you want to believe in Creation then that shouldn't stop you, but you can't say that both versions can be mutually exclusive AND BOTH CORRECT.

From this position it's an easy step to decide that maybe neither version is correct, just man's attempts to explain where he came from based on his experience with God.


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simple 
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Message 231 of 281 (85905)
02-12-2004 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Silent H
02-12-2004 12:09 PM


Holmes needs more
I have already shown using FACTS that your OPINION is incorrect
My point being not what year each phrase was implemented, but, as those words on the money, show, you like to say your with God. This isn't opinion. So much of the world has saw you in that light. You claim that light on your money. Your history from the beginning bears witness. I don't care what year, or who, helped create the impression you folks claim you & God are buddies. I know you're not. But the world, still is somewhat confused, and with good reason! (2+2=2=4)
The joke is on you both
Joke is right.
Christmas is not even at the right time of year for Jesus' birth.
OK tell us the exact day Jesus was born, so we can fix it up.
can I ask where you are from and why
you are so concerned about our educational system
Jesus loves the little children, and said of those who would offend them (one of His children) that it were better that a milstone be hung around their neck, and they be cast into the midst of the sea! The country you seem to think is yours has a very many of His children. I would very much suggest you stop offending their spirits, their faith.
why are you so afraid
about what other people think
?? What people's thoughts are these you think I'm afraid of?
"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"
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simple 
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Message 232 of 281 (85909)
02-12-2004 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Trixie
02-12-2004 5:47 PM


A closer look at Adam's lover
Now, if the order in Gen 1 is correct how can you reconcile it with the above quote?
( God in chap 2 goes back & expounds on the situation, like why Adam needed a lover) When God made the animals in the last chapter, it was because of what He's talking about here..the reasons-fleshing it out.
does that mean that both versions of Genesis are correct
Absolutley! As pointed out it's not another 'version' but a closer veiw point angle.(zoom)
therefore there can only be ONE order in which
Creation occurred
The order is in chapter one. In chapter two, we go back and take a closer look.
AND BOTH CORRECT
Of course, as I hope you can see now.
just
man's attempts to explain where he came from based on his experience with God
What we have is God explaining to man where he came from, so we'd have a sort of 'Maker's manual'. That's why Jesus refers to believing in Him as 'standing on the Rock' ..it is solid, not like thw sand of something like evolution, that is shifting, and is not wise to build a house on!
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Silent H
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Message 233 of 281 (85963)
02-12-2004 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by simple
02-12-2004 7:49 PM


quote:
My point being not what year each phrase was implemented, but, as those words on the money, show, you like to say your with God.

The year "under God" was added to the pledge was not the only FACT I gave you. There was also that little bit about the treaty of 1797 where the government (including founders of the US) state clearly that the US government is NOT based on Xianity, or Xian principles.

Do you want a history of money, to let you know when "In God we Trust" was added, and for what reason?

Whether your schools teach evolution or not they really need to help you with learning history.

quote:
OK tell us the exact day Jesus was born, so we can fix it up.

I have no idea. But I can pretty much guarantee it was not on Xmas. I guess I could go look up what latest scholars think on the subject.

Either way, there is also no question that Xmas was the adoption of pagan solstice into Xian practice. You can find that fact from evangelicals if you won't trust my word. Some refuse to celebrate it because it is of pagan origin.

quote:
The country you seem to think is yours has a very many of His children. I would very much suggest you stop offending their spirits, their faith.

You referred to the US as my country, not me. I was wondering why.

As far as being offended, if thine eyes or ears offend thee, pluck them out. But my you guys are some thin-skinned little bastards if your faith can't even handle people talking around you.

quote:
What people's thoughts are these you think I'm afraid of?

Evilition, Freedumb, Demoncracy... good stuff like that.


holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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simple 
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Message 234 of 281 (85983)
02-13-2004 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Silent H
02-12-2004 11:57 PM


I want my money back!
Do you want a history of money, to let you know when "In God we Trust" was added,
and for what reason
Like I said, the point is that regardless of why, an impression of christianity exists, and it's fortified with vitimins, and three essential minerals. So Since In God you say you trust, and since your christian majority isn't dead yet, what is this 'democracy' business anyhow?
I have no idea. But I can pretty much guarantee it was not on CHRISTmas (word edited)
You say you do not know. No idea. Not the faintest clue! Then your XXXvo logic (just shorthand)mentality comes in and says, "I can pretty much guarantee it was not on CHRISTCHRISTCHRISTmas"! You guys really know how to date things! Your guarantees, our children can really bank on! They are in good hands!As far as your pagan history, if they happened to do something then, why would I care? same with Jesus birthday, I don't care when it was! Nor do I know. Despite your guarantees, of which you are totally ignorant, as you admit!! The thing is that's when it is celebrated.
thin-skinned little bastards if your faith can't even handle people talking
around you
people talk around us all the time, so what. It's the little children you are picking on that a lot of people don't like.
Evilition, Freedumb, Demoncracy... good stuff like that.
Can you guarantee that?
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" -Jesus
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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 235 of 281 (85993)
02-13-2004 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by simple
02-13-2004 2:06 AM


Re: I want my money back!
Please show evidence that god exists and that he is indeed a christain god. Doing so will make your argument much stronger.
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nator
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Message 236 of 281 (86012)
02-13-2004 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by simple
02-11-2004 1:20 AM


Re: take your business elsewhere
So, is the Germ Theory of Disease anti-God?

Is the Theory of a Heliocentric Solar System anti-God?

Is the Atomic Theory of Matter anti-God?

Children are "forced" to learn these scientific theories, and none of them mention anything about God, and all of them could be interpreted as contradicting the Bible.

Do you suggest that children shouldn't be taught that germs cause disease, that the sun is the center of the solar system, and that matter is not made up of atoms?


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nator
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Message 237 of 281 (86017)
02-13-2004 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by simple
02-11-2004 8:26 PM


typical
quote:
...and then goes on to talk about the naked woman He created for him as well,...

Adam: "Huh, huh, huh, God created a nekkit womun fer me, huh, huh, huh.


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Dan Carroll
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Message 238 of 281 (86019)
02-13-2004 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by nator
02-13-2004 9:09 AM


Re: typical
If there really was a God, he'd create a naked woman or two for me.


"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya
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nator
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Message 239 of 281 (86023)
02-13-2004 9:18 AM
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02-11-2004 11:08 PM


Re: you must admit..
quote:
I think it's clear the evos are bullying.

Excuse me? It sounds to me like those Christian students were doing their best to impose their particular religious beliefs upon everyone in that class. If that isn't bullying, I don't know what is.

Tell me, if some Hindu children objected to the teaching of something in history class, and kept bringing it up in class even though she was asked not to, and then a rumor started being circulated about the teacher's religious beliefs, and then several Hindu children decided that one of them should put a Hindu religious pamplet on the teacher's desk, would the fact that the child was suspended have bothered you?


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nator
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Message 240 of 281 (86029)
02-13-2004 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by simple
02-11-2004 11:31 PM


Re: almost a wrap
quote:
I have always been taught that these boys thought they were fighting for God

Ossama bin Laden and the Taliban are fighting for God, too.


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