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Author Topic:   Key points of Evolution
Deftil
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Message 50 of 356 (464143)
04-23-2008 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by platypus
12-11-2006 2:41 AM


I agree that:
1) One Family Tree unites all of life and
2) Species change through time and place
I also agree that:
1) These two ideas must be taught in every science curriculum.
However:
2) Neither of these ideas are directly in conflict with the Bible.
is pretty questionable.
It depends on how one interprets the Bible as far as that goes. The number of different ways the Bible can be interpreted is evidenced by how much debate goes on about the meaning of words that are normally simple but get fuzzy in the content of the passages.
Many creationists seem to think evolution is in conflict with the Bible, and many evolutionists seem to think the same.
Telling people that the key points of evolution are not in conflict with the Bible is to tell them that a particular way of inerpreting the Bible is correct, namely, the way that doesn't directly conflict with evolution. So it's almost like telling people how to interpret the Bible instead of making a blanket statement that everyone can agree on, even the Christians that were previously hostile towards evolution because they didn't realize that it didn't conflict with their beliefs.
If they believe that evolution is in conflict with their beliefs, than it's probably going to be pretty difficult to get them to believe otherwise.
Edited by Deftil, : accidently put "the way that doesn't directly conflict with the Bible" instead of "with evolution"

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Deftil
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Posts: 128
From: Virginia, USA
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Message 52 of 356 (464157)
04-23-2008 6:32 PM
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04-23-2008 6:07 PM


bluegenes writes:
I think you might have meant "science" instead of "Bible" in that last word.
Yes, you are correct. thank you
bluegenes writes:
Welcome to EvC.
thanks again

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Deftil
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Message 58 of 356 (464723)
04-28-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by platypus
04-23-2008 8:18 PM


Actually, I would rephrase this slightly differently. I am not telling them that they must accept a particular interpreting, I am just telling them that there are certain interpretations that they cannot accept. They can choose from any number of possible interpretations except for the few that contradict evolution. Or they can choose an interpretation that contradicts evolution with the understanding that it is not factually true.
I understand, but I think the result is the same. For those people that insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible, well, you're kind of telling them that their interpretation is wrong.
Now if sending this kind of message has the effect of causing fewer Christians to insist on taking the Bible literally while allowing them to accept evolution, then I'm all for it.
But personally, I'm not a Christian, so I don't necessarily feel it's appropriate for me to tell Christians which ways they can and can't interpret the Bible. If I was a Christian however, I would likely be campaigning for others to subscribe to my type of biblical intepretation which would allow for the acceptance of evolution, but like I've said, I'm not sure if I feel right, as a non-Christian, doing that kind of thing.
Perhaps I should rethink my stance on this. Maybe I should be doing whatever I can to open people's minds to the truth. There could be a lot of Christians out there who don't believe in evolution because they don't realize it can be compatible with their beliefs. Maybe those people are being swayed by the more fundametalist of the Christians that speak out loudly against believing in evolution, and therefore end up having an anti-science viewpoint, that includes supporting teaching ID in school science classes. If we could get to these people before the anti-science sentiments are cemented in their minds, perhaps we could end up with a larger group of Christians who are accepting of evolution, and understanding of science in general.
I'm not entirely sure how many people of that type are out there though, and I'm still really not too sure how comfortable I feel with explaining to people ways they can interpret their religion, when I, myself don't subscribe to that religion.

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Deftil
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Message 144 of 356 (465101)
05-03-2008 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Blue Jay
05-02-2008 5:40 PM


Re: Propaganda and Evolution in Schools
More nit-picking, perhaps, but the numbers have changed since then. According to the 2007 Gallup Poll, atheistic evolutionists are up to 14%. In fact, 9% is the low point over the past decade.
woohoo! go america!
we're gettin thur!
Edited by Deftil, : No reason given.

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