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robinrohan
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Message 61 of 135 (336145)
07-28-2006 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by anglagard
07-28-2006 5:39 PM


Re: No Need for Advertising
the concept of evolution is too benign in addition to being too self-evident, to require advertising to most rational beings.

I don't know how "benign" it is: I find it rather radical and earth-shaking myself, once you grasp all its implications. But on the other hand when some product is advertised excessively, I begin to have grave doubts about it. Also, if one handed over the idea to an advertising agency, I find it hard to imagine what they might come up with that would work.


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Message 62 of 135 (336146)
07-28-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by randman
07-28-2006 5:32 PM


Re: It's not science, imo
Show me the papers then, and I will look at them and critique them.

Where are they?

In scientific journals.

Take your pick.


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Message 63 of 135 (336152)
07-28-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by randman
07-28-2006 5:32 PM


Re: It's not science, imo
Show me the papers then, and I will look at them and critique them.

Where are they?

Academic libraries


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Message 64 of 135 (336154)
07-28-2006 6:11 PM
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07-28-2006 5:32 PM


Re: It's not science, imo
quote:
Show me the papers then, and I will look at them and critique them.

Where are they?


Great, I'll start a new thread.

I will also put out a call to the scientists on this board who work in related fields to provide some links to online copies of papers that are appropriate.


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robinrohan
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Message 65 of 135 (336155)
07-28-2006 6:16 PM
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07-28-2006 6:11 PM


Re: It's not science, imo
Great, I'll start a new thread.

Please don't.


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Message 66 of 135 (336160)
07-28-2006 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by nator
07-28-2006 6:11 PM


To the scientists
I hope you would be able to judge best papers that are reasonably representative but also clearer than most. There's no need to make this harder for RM than it will be anyway.
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Message 67 of 135 (336161)
07-28-2006 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by robinrohan
07-28-2006 6:16 PM


No new thread?
Perhaps you can explain why not? It was a bit odd to make the statement at all. To make it without explanation is even more so.
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robinrohan
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Message 68 of 135 (336162)
07-28-2006 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by NosyNed
07-28-2006 6:30 PM


Re: No new thread?
Perhaps you can explain why not? It was a bit odd to make the statement at all. To make it without explanation is even more so.

I had more important matters to discuss with Schraf than this nonsense with Randman.


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robinrohan
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Message 69 of 135 (336163)
07-28-2006 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by robinrohan
07-28-2006 6:33 PM


Re: No new thread?
By the way, I like your new picture.
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Message 70 of 135 (336164)
07-28-2006 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by nator
07-28-2006 5:20 PM


Re: A topic warning
of course. but that's silly.:p
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 71 of 135 (336166)
07-28-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by robinrohan
07-28-2006 5:22 PM


Re: A topic warning
yes, but we've already been through that these are not necessary to the idea of evolution.

perhaps, materialism goes hand in hand with abiogenesis--i doubt it, but it is possible-- but certainly not with evolution alone.

and how is evolution more deterministic than a god who has foreknown all things? for things to be foreknown, they must have a set path.

such considerations are not idiotic, but the idea that such considerations are necessity with evolution is idiotic.


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nator
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Message 72 of 135 (336167)
07-28-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by robinrohan
07-28-2006 6:33 PM


Re: No new thread?
quote:
I had more important matters to discuss with Schraf than this nonsense with Randman.

Had you been acting in a more responsible, caring way towards me, robin, I might feel some compulsion to pay you more attention.

But it's clear that you don't care about what I have to say, nor about me, so I don't care if you want to continue our discussion.

Therefore, you will have to suffer the consequences.

;)

Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.


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nator
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Message 73 of 135 (336169)
07-28-2006 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by NosyNed
07-28-2006 6:29 PM


Re: To the scientists
quote:
I hope you would be able to judge best papers that are reasonably representative but also clearer than most. There's no need to make this harder for RM than it will be anyway.

Of course, I agree entirely.

After all, I want to be able to understand them too.

I've also put in the OP a call to all of the scientists on the board to provide some likely candidates.

Of course, I prefer that he bring up his own examples that he has surely found during his journey to the determination that the papers are poor scientific quality, but he was not forthcoming...


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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 135 (336180)
07-28-2006 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by nator
07-28-2006 6:54 PM


Re: No new thread?
Had you been acting in a more responsible, caring way towards me, robin, I might feel some compulsion to pay you more attention

Ha, ha, ha.

Well, at least iano won't be jealous.


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Message 75 of 135 (336182)
07-28-2006 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by robinrohan
07-28-2006 7:21 PM


Re: No new thread?
Often times, when two people are attracted to each other but cannot have each other they fight. Its the only way they can express those deep passions

I'm yellow with envy


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