The non-evos appear to be the more open-minded and less inclined towards indoctrination as they (we) are arguing for more openness in the class-room and both or perhaps more than "both" sides be taught in schools.
Really? Why is it that fishboy in
Message 1 is looking online for references for his Christian biology class? Does he not know where to go to look for scientific papers?
We've all read through the ID and creationist "papers" and we know where to find them. My little sister's 7th grade bio teacher in the middle of BFE Florida knows about the AiG sites and she regularly reads relevant literature in the biological sciences.
Meanwhile, are Christian school teachers actually looking at the "other side?" Do they actually teach the ToE as it is or as Hovind explains it?
Do Christian school teachers have time to go over every piece of evidence and provide the "alternate interpretation?" Would they?
No.
Are creationist parents being given an accurate overview of evolution in order to teach their kids or even educate themselves?
Or is the "teach the controversy" really one-sided?
It's funny (but not really) how there is plenty of literature out there for anyone to learn about evolution (or geology,physics,chemistry,etc), but the only problem is that you actually have to know something about it and you have to specialize in order to know about it in detail. However, in order to know (as a teacher, student, interested observer) about creation all you have to do is read a few websites and/or trust your pastor/guest speaker/someone trying to sell videos/books.
You can get all you need to know off of YouTube! Or a video off of TBN for $14.95!!
And then you can let 15 year olds decide what is true! What a great idea! No experience necessary!
That is why creationists/IDists want to get into the secondary school levels. Because kids with only a basic understanding can decide what is science better than those with a degree either way?
Please note that I said "either way."
Letting children decide science is a bad idea no matter what.
That is why we have an open internet system and expansive bookstores in this country. It's not like the kids are forced to accept anything (especially if their parents/friends/pastors disagree). Unless the schools or bookstores or internet access are censored or marginalized (any sense of scientific censorship? Any websites that are off limits? Didn't think so.)
Knowledge is a great thing no matter what prompts it. And it is all out there.
"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -
The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea