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PaulK
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Message 81 of 169 (71513)
12-08-2003 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Martin J. Koszegi
12-07-2003 11:26 PM


Re: King of the Nats
Martin, I have to tell you that Grant Jeffrey is not a reliable source.
In fact the Egyptians were very advanced medically for their time. The Hebrews were nowhere near that class.
Consider for instance this http://www.neurosurgery.org/cybermuseum/pre20th/epapyrus.html
I had a conversation on a mailing list a few years ago on this subject. It turned out that Grant Jeffrey was the source of at least one misrepresentation of the Bible - presenting Leviticus 6:28 as a cleanliness law rather than the ritual observance it clearly is.
I suggest you really do read Leviticus for yourself rather than trusting to someone elses interpretation.

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Message 87 of 169 (71649)
12-08-2003 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Abshalom
12-08-2003 2:58 PM


Re: Leviticus 6:28
Leviticus 6:28 is the correct reference.

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Message 89 of 169 (71655)
12-08-2003 6:06 PM
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12-08-2003 6:00 PM


Re: Leviticus 6:28
Try reading it in context. It is NOT a general rule at all. The limits on its application mean that it has no significant health benefit.

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Message 90 of 169 (71657)
12-08-2003 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Martin J. Koszegi
12-08-2003 2:28 PM


Re: King of the Nats
Martin, I advised you to read Leviticus for yourself - and you didn't did you ? Leviticus 6:28 does not have any significant medical benefits. All you have to do is read it - so why does Grant Jeffrey try to say otherwise ?
It is quite simple. Leviticus does not show any sign of advanced medical knowledge comparable to the Edwin Smith Surgical papyrus. Instead it has many "cleanliness" laws some of which have benefits and some of which have none at all and we would now class as taboos or superstitions. For an example consider Leviticus 15:22 - or 15:29-31.

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Message 92 of 169 (71789)
12-09-2003 2:48 AM
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12-08-2003 6:36 PM


Re: Leviticus 6:28
That pretty much agrees with my reading. But clearly there is no real health benefit from having a special rule just for sacrifices. It is a rtiual observance and no more.

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Message 96 of 169 (71911)
12-09-2003 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Martin J. Koszegi
12-09-2003 2:52 PM


Re: King of the Nats
Well if you're so familir with Leviticus so as not to need to read it again you know that 6:28 is a ritual observance and not a hygiene rule.
If the Egyptians were genuinely inferior to the Hebrews medically then you need to deal with their achieveemnts - not their mistakes. Remember that Galen and Hippocrates were not even born. Medicine had a LONG way to go.
And the fact is that many of the rituals do not have hygiene benefits. If some of the rituals happen to have bnnefits it does not mena that the creators of those rituals had knowledge of the health benefits. If the rule of 6:28 existed for the health benefits - as Grant Jeffrey says - then why was it not a general rule so that those benefits could be realised ? Obviously it did not.

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Message 129 of 169 (72822)
12-14-2003 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Martin J. Koszegi
12-11-2003 6:37 PM


Re: King of the Nats
OK so you DON'T know Leviticus 6:28 annd you can't be bothered to look it up.
Now my argument is that on the whole the Egyptians were more advanced than the Hebrews in medicine. You haven't offered any evidence to contradict that, and your source misrepresents the Bible - and you can't even be bothered to check what the Bible really says.
So what's your motivation for pushing the worship of Grant Jeffrey ?

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