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ViewOfWorld
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Message 1 of 169 (23599)
11-21-2002 10:30 PM


Do you accept the teaching of the evolutionary theory in schools?
You can teach it in schools, so long as you teach that its a hypothesis instead of a fact. Which, of course, it is not, and thats just lying to young minds and corrupting them. Making them see one way and not the other. If you let yourself see to just whats in front of you, you could get attacked from behind. Its just not right.
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gene90
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Message 2 of 169 (23602)
11-21-2002 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ViewOfWorld
11-21-2002 10:30 PM


Evolution is a theory, not a hypothesis, and it is fact also. Otherwise we wouldn't have to worry about things like antibiotic-resistant pathogens.
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Quetzal
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Message 3 of 169 (23638)
11-22-2002 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by gene90
11-21-2002 10:43 PM


No, no, you misunderstand gene. Evolution is a conspiracy which has deliberately and with malice aforethought produced tens of thousands of scientific papers by thousands of scientists from around the world over the last couple hundred years and published in dozens of obscure journals like "Science" and "Nature" all for the express purpose of corrupting one high school student in the US and convincing them that there is no God.

See, it all makes sense in context, doesn't it?


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Mammuthus
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Message 4 of 169 (23644)
11-22-2002 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Quetzal
11-22-2002 1:32 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Quetzal:
No, no, you misunderstand gene. Evolution is a conspiracy which has deliberately and with malice aforethought produced tens of thousands of scientific papers by thousands of scientists from around the world over the last couple hundred years and published in dozens of obscure journals like "Science" and "Nature" all for the express purpose of corrupting one high school student in the US and convincing them that there is no God.

See, it all makes sense in context, doesn't it?


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No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines


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nator
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Message 5 of 169 (23677)
11-22-2002 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Quetzal
11-22-2002 1:32 AM


ROTFLMAO!!!

What a great way to start my morning.

LOL!

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"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."

-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"


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Quetzal
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Message 6 of 169 (23685)
11-22-2002 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by nator
11-22-2002 8:52 AM


Thanks Schraf - I wish I could take credit for the quip, but it's one that's been floating around for awhile. Glad it started your day out right, tho'.
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John
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Message 7 of 169 (23686)
11-22-2002 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Mammuthus
11-22-2002 2:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines

So its more like the great evilutionist pasttime then?

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Mammuthus
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Message 8 of 169 (23687)
11-22-2002 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by John
11-22-2002 9:12 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines

So its more like the great evilutionist pasttime then?


Yes...it is our version of baseball...


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John
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Message 9 of 169 (23701)
11-22-2002 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Mammuthus
11-22-2002 9:19 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines

So its more like the great evilutionist pasttime then?


Yes...it is our version of baseball...


well... batter up, my friend.

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Mammuthus
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Message 10 of 169 (23702)
11-22-2002 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by John
11-22-2002 10:52 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines

So its more like the great evilutionist pasttime then?


Yes...it is our version of baseball...


well... batter up, my friend.


*****
I have been hitting homeruns all day


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John
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Message 11 of 169 (23703)
11-22-2002 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Mammuthus
11-22-2002 11:03 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
No no no...we only practice the great conspiracy on our lunch breaks Quetzal...the rest of our time is spent building perpetual motion machines

So its more like the great evilutionist pasttime then?


Yes...it is our version of baseball...


well... batter up, my friend.


*****
I have been hitting homeruns all day


LOL...

well, I've been hitting at least.... not bad for someone who sucks at team sports

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manubeckm7
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Message 12 of 169 (24074)
11-24-2002 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ViewOfWorld
11-21-2002 10:30 PM


There really isn't a problem with teaching evolution in schools. The real problem is that teachers really aren't teaching all aspects of it. They teach the minimal amount. They don't teach all of the parts of it that have been disproven or the problems with the theory itself. If they were to teach all of it, they would actually be teaching intelligent design or creationism by disproving the theory. If you were to show a biologist a high school biology textbook, they would tell you that even they don't believe most of it. The teachers have their own agendas, and that is to push their own viewpoints.
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manubeckm7
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Message 13 of 169 (24077)
11-24-2002 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ViewOfWorld
11-21-2002 10:30 PM


I completely agree that this is corruption; it isn't right to force these views upon growing minds. If you were to present Charles Darwin with the discoveries we have made involving the increased complexity of his original theory, he would even realize his mistake. The man was having a spiritual crisis at the time. Some of his ideas were right, I will admit, but he was really grasping for some new concepts to help himself out. He's not the one who came out and said that we all evolved from monkeys. He's just a poster boy for evolutionists.
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Primordial Egg
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Message 14 of 169 (24083)
11-24-2002 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by manubeckm7
11-24-2002 3:27 PM


quote:
Originally posted by manubeckm7:
I completely agree that this is corruption; it isn't right to force these views upon growing minds. If you were to present Charles Darwin with the discoveries we have made involving the increased complexity of his original theory, he would even realize his mistake. The man was having a spiritual crisis at the time. Some of his ideas were right, I will admit, but he was really grasping for some new concepts to help himself out. He's not the one who came out and said that we all evolved from monkeys. He's just a poster boy for evolutionists.

How's Brooklyn?

PE

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It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains
fall out. - Bertrand Russell


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Quetzal
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Message 15 of 169 (24148)
11-25-2002 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by manubeckm7
11-24-2002 3:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by manubeckm7:
There really isn't a problem with teaching evolution in schools. The real problem is that teachers really aren't teaching all aspects of it. They teach the minimal amount.

You mean they only teach the stuff that reflects the basics of the scientific concensus at the time the particular textbook was written? True - I haven't seen a lot of high school biology texts that do much more than skim the surface. Of course, they have a lot of really basic things to cover in a short period of time. Kind of the same reason they don't teach tensor calculus in high school, ya think?

quote:
They don't teach all of the parts of it that have been disproven or the problems with the theory itself.

And which parts would those be?

quote:
If they were to teach all of it, they would actually be teaching intelligent design or creationism by disproving the theory. If you were to show a biologist a high school biology textbook, they would tell you that even they don't believe most of it. The teachers have their own agendas, and that is to push their own viewpoints.

Really? And which theory of creationism would they teach. I kind of like the Finnish egg theory, or the Kikuyu giant snake. Of course, if creationism could actually develop a testable theory with real data... I really like the last bit about teachers with an agenda - interestingly enough, the only teachers I've run across with an agenda more devious than simply getting some basic points across to a bunch of kids are the ones trying to sneak their religion into the classroom. Odd, isn't it?


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