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Percy
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Message 31 of 60 (503950)
03-23-2009 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Von Cullen
03-23-2009 4:22 PM


Von Cullen writes:

I didn't say I wasn't an evolutionist...

You accept a theory where 99% of its arguments are refuted by the scientific literature? And whose arguments you don't share, since you referred to them as "your arguments"? Interesting.

You might consider trying to come up with less hyperbolic statements than the ones from your first post. They got you some attention, but not necessarily the kind you want.

--Percy


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Von Cullen
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Message 32 of 60 (503958)
03-23-2009 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dr Adequate
03-23-2009 4:36 PM


It refutes 99% of the arguments made on this and many other on line forums.
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Straggler
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Message 33 of 60 (503960)
03-23-2009 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Von Cullen
03-23-2009 5:38 PM


Your Own Thread
It refutes 99% of the arguments made on this and many other on line forums

If you really are a molecular biologist and you really do think that 99% of the arguments made here are PRATTS then in the name of education I have setup a thread for you to give more detail.

See here Message 1

I suggest that you start by highlighting some of the arguments in favour of evolution that you have seen presented here that you consider to be PRATTs


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Dr Adequate
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Message 34 of 60 (503961)
03-23-2009 5:45 PM
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03-23-2009 5:38 PM


It refutes 99% of the arguments made on this and many other on line forums.

Someone should tell the creationists ... they haven't managed to refute any of our arguments. But you've just joined today and already you know how flawed 99% of our arguments are. Lucky you!

I think you should help 'em out with your vast knowledge of the scientific literature.


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Message 35 of 60 (503962)
03-23-2009 5:47 PM
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03-23-2009 4:55 PM


Contrary to one posters previous quote, science cannot explain the origins of life. It cannot explain the thousands of molecular mechanisms needed in order for change to take place across an entire species, and so on.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 36 of 60 (503969)
03-23-2009 6:04 PM
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03-23-2009 5:47 PM


Contrary to one posters previous quote, science cannot explain the origins of life.

Can you point me to this quote?

It cannot explain the thousands of molecular mechanisms needed in order for change to take place across an entire species, and so on.

I wonder what you think you're talking about.


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Message 37 of 60 (503970)
03-23-2009 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Von Cullen
03-23-2009 5:47 PM


posting tips
Welcome to the fray Von Cullen,

Contrary to one posters previous quote, ...

You can link your reply directly to this previous post by using the message reply button:


... and then your message is linked to the one you are replying to (adds clarity) so we know who you are talking about. You can also look at the way a post is formated with the "peek" button next to it.

Another way to add clarity AND content to your message is to quote the persons comment:

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quote:
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and you can even be more specific with [qs=Von Cullen]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:

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This way you can provide both the persons id AND the content of the message you are referring to.

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Percy
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Message 38 of 60 (503972)
03-23-2009 6:18 PM
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03-23-2009 5:47 PM


Just so we keep this thread on topic, this thread isn't about the origin of life or the molecular mechanisms of species change. You can find plenty of threads on those topics over at the Biological Evolution and Origin of Life forums.

--Percy


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Message 39 of 60 (503974)
03-23-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Von Cullen
03-23-2009 5:47 PM


It cannot explain the thousands of molecular mechanisms needed in order for change to take place across an entire species, and so on. Contrary to one posters previous quote, science cannot explain the origins of life. It cannot explain the thousands of molecular mechanisms needed in order for change to take place across an entire species, and so on.

This is an evolved form of the Paley Watchmaker argument. It was dealt with in Origin of Species where Darwin illustrated the evolution of the complex eye through intermediate steps that could be seen in lineal species.

In the Articulata we can commence a series with an optic nerve merely coated with pigment, and without any other mechanism; and from this low stage, numerous gradations of structure, branching off in two fundamentally different lines, can be shown to exist, until we reach a moderately high stage of perfection. . . With these facts, here far too briefly and imperfectly given, which show that there is much graduated diversity in the eyes of living crustaceans, and bearing in mind how small the number of living animals is in proportion to those which have become extinct, I can see no very great difficulty (not more than in the case of many other structures) in believing that natural selection has converted the simple apparatus of an optic nerve merely coated with pigment and invested by transparent membrane, into an optical instrument as perfect as is possessed by any member of the great Articulate class.

Origin of Species, chapter 6
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When it became apparent that larger complex features could be explained by extant and extinct species (the mammalian middle ear is another good example) the creationists moved to systems which could not leave a fossil record, namely cellular microscopic systems such as bacterial flagellum. With zero chance of a fossil record they wouldn't have to worry about those pesky transitional fossils.


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Von Cullen
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Message 40 of 60 (503975)
03-23-2009 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Percy
03-23-2009 6:18 PM


You are correct, Percy. My aplogies for digressing. Please, carry on w/the original topic.
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Von Cullen
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Message 41 of 60 (504198)
03-25-2009 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by RAZD
03-23-2009 6:14 PM


Re: posting tips
Welcome to the fray Von Cullen,

Contrary to one posters previous quote, ...

You can link your reply directly to this previous post by using the message reply button:

... and then your message is linked to the one you are replying to (adds clarity) so we know who you are talking about. You can also look at the way a post is formated with the "peek" button next to it.
Another way to add clarity AND content to your message is to quote the persons comment:

This way you can provide both the persons id AND the content of the message you are referring to.

It's amazing how much this adds to the discussion. Nobody has to waste time backtracking to see if they can figure out what you mean.

Enjoy.

Thanks for the info RAZD...I was away from my PC On Monday & was posting via Blackberry which makes viewing the forum a bit more difficult because it isnt displayed the same way it is on a computer.


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Percy
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Message 42 of 60 (504199)
03-25-2009 7:34 AM
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03-25-2009 7:28 AM


Re: posting tips
Just wanted to make sure you'd seen Message 33.

--Percy


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Message 43 of 60 (504201)
03-25-2009 7:45 AM
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03-25-2009 7:34 AM


Re: posting tips
Just wanted to make sure you'd seen Message 33.
--Percy

I have, and am there now....Thanks


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Percy
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Message 44 of 60 (504340)
03-27-2009 10:10 AM


Defeated in their "strengths and weaknesses" language, conservative members of the Texas State Board of Education still succeeded in promoting a creationist agenda when they pushed through a series of amendments addressing topics like evolution and the big bang. Details are in today's NYT:

Defeat and Some Success for Texas Evolution Foes

The article may require a subscription, but it's free.

The strategy now appears to be to attack science piecemeal at the secondary school level.

--Percy


    
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Message 45 of 60 (619869)
06-12-2011 9:43 PM


Anything apart of God is GARBAGE!
Anything apart from God is GARBAGE! Useless and worthless! People who say there is no God in their hearts ARE FOOLS! In todays world people ARE SSOOOO Proud of the thought that they might be intelligent... YET THEY ARE UTTER MORONS! All it takes is you to open the door for God... AND YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE! FROM YOUR OWN SUPIDITY!
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