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Message 46 of 60 (619871)
06-12-2011 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by RightHandMan
06-12-2011 9:43 PM


Did it ever occur to you...?
Did it ever occur to you that your represent the God you believe in? Were I Him, I would fire you and hire a new P.R. guy....just sayin.

The reason that I can reprimand you is because I use to also get frustrated when people refused to believe or consider God as I knew Him. Later on, it occurred to me that IF God exists, He exists regardless of human beliefs, opinions, and self proclaimed facts for or against. My mission, (we all have one) has to be as a believable ambassador and not someone who reprimands everybody, acting as if I were somehow smarter and wiser or more exclusively chosen than they were or could be.


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Message 47 of 60 (619872)
06-12-2011 9:50 PM


Lord Of Lords!
That sums up the entire debate of evolution... you look at dna and think that is enough to form man in the womb... YET YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE of who makes life in the womb which follow the dna! LOOK AT YOUR OWN BODIES... the substance of your limbs... my feet SHOW ME GOD IS LIKE ME!

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSS and PRAY TO GOD he will forgive you for your own supidity!!!


    
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Message 48 of 60 (619873)
06-12-2011 9:53 PM


GOD
Does it look like I need your advice?
    
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Message 49 of 60 (619875)
06-12-2011 9:56 PM


Dont feed the troll
Don't feed the troll,it is exactly what it wants. If it had anything substantial to say it would do so instead of acting the opposite of how a real christian would.


"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


    
RightHandMan
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Message 50 of 60 (619876)
06-12-2011 9:59 PM


SHAME ON YOU!!!
You should be ASHAMED of yourselves! Talking garbage about the God that gave you life??? Bunch of selfish egotistical useless bunch of GARBAGE!!! I"M AMAZED THAT GOD STILL LOVES YOU!!! UTTERLY AMAZED!!!!!
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Message 51 of 60 (620149)
06-14-2011 12:05 PM
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06-12-2011 9:59 PM


Re: SHAME ON YOU!!!

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Message 52 of 60 (627262)
08-01-2011 6:29 PM


I wonder
Righthandman, I wonder what the point is of saying such things? I genuinely do.
You aren't going to win anyone over with what you have said, if I were to present an idea you didn't agree with the way you did to you, would you listen? If you don't establish a receptable dialog then you will only waste your own time and energy.
You've already stated you do not need advice, but previous experiance has taught me to make an honest effort before writing someone out entirely.

Back OT, I seem to remember reading an article a few months ago that speculated that a religion may develop that teaches worshipping the people of the future for what they will acheive for themselves and the futures future (as it were). I find this a positive idea and one I can far more easilly accept even if I don't convert.


    
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Message 53 of 60 (627704)
08-03-2011 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by RightHandMan
06-12-2011 9:59 PM


Re: SHAME ON YOU!!!
Righthandman, I wonder what the point is of saying such things? I genuinely do.
You aren't going to win anyone over with what you have said, if I were to present an idea you didn't agree with the way you did to you, would you listen? If you don't establish a receptable dialog then you will only waste your own time and energy.
You've already stated you do not need advice, but previous experiance has taught me to make an honest effort before writing someone out entirely.

Back OT, I seem to remember reading an article a few months ago that speculated that a religion may develop that teaches worshipping the people of the future for what they will acheive for themselves and the futures future (as it were). I find this a positive idea and one I can far more easilly accept even if I don't convert.


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Message 54 of 60 (658563)
04-06-2012 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Archer Opteryx
10-16-2006 7:45 PM


The greatest misconception that Satan has ever put in the minds of the human race is a disbelief in his existence. The second greatest misconception that Satan has put in the minds of the human race is the belief that ‘If evolution is true, then Genesis would have to be false- and therefore the Bible not true.’

I am perturbed, flabbergasted, and disturbed by the continuing efforts of misguided (to the point even of committing perjury in ‘Dover, et. al.’) and scripturally incorrect religious people to foist their misconceptions, under the guise of ‘scientific theories’ (creationism, intelligent design, etc.) upon the educational system. Simply because the origin and mechanism of Divine genesis is of a supernatural (versus natural, i.e.: a process amenable to scientific evaluation) involvement it is not and can never be a scientific discipline. In addition to the obvious damage and hindrance to our educational curricula, these attempts are a huge misrepresentation of spiritual reality and Biblical truth; and are a tremendous disservice to God and His interests concerning the human race. Please objectively consider the enclosed information. May it finally put to rest the ‘red herring’ of an evolution/Genesis conflict. Should you find it to be of value, feel free to disseminate it as far and wide as you wish.

The validity of evolution would not, in the slightest degree, diminish the evidential necessity of the existence of God, nor would it preclude the validity of divine creation.

Evolutionists for nonscientific reasons have erroneously discarded the Genesis account and, equally erroneously, religionists have discarded evolution as being contradictory to a Genesis account.

Now it is time to logically examine the merits and foibles of the "pro-Creation" argument.

For we are told that in the beginning God created (bara) the heaven and the earth; but the Scriptures never affirm that He did this in the six days. The work of those days was, as we shall presently see, quite a different thing from original creation: they were times of restoration, and the word asah is generally used in connection with them.

Now asah signifies to make, fashion, or prepare out of existing material; as, for instance, to build a ship, erect a house, or prepare a meal.139

To promote the literality of the six days of restoration makes equally as much sense as the Roman Catholic Church's defense of the earth as the center of the universe in the time of Copernicus. It is theologically incorrect to think that the 6 days were literal 24-hour days, since time elements (lights) were not assigned until the 4th day. The damage done by such misguided, and scripturally mistaken believers, in making Christians appear to be ignorant and illogical people, has been inestimable. What would cause some of the better scientific minds of the last century to illogically jump to conclusions in a frenzied effort to discredit the Bible in general and Genesis in particular? What would cause religious people to feel compelled to attack evolution as if they were defending the Faith? The answer to these questions is obvious if we rephrase them with the word who instead of what. Who has always endeavored to cause the human race to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel? None other than our most subtle enemy, Satan.

There are six specific categories of life formed in the six�day account: ...

The order of their listing in the six�day account is in the same specific chronological order of appearance determined by scientifically derived (evolutionary) evidence: ...

The mathematical odds against this being coincidental are 720 to 1; in other words, 720 to 1 that this account is divinely inspired, since divine inspiration is the only alternative to coincidence.

Author’s Note: Since the writing of the above <40+ years ago>, scientific consensus no longer validates the above. My opinion: With whatever process was involved geologically: 1. The original (pre-adamic) creation and with its removal globally. & 2. Restoration of the earth producing man. & 3. Noah’s flood, I doubt that conclusive empirical evidence can be deduced that either proves or disproves the order of life forms in the 6-day account. The geologic stratification deck has been shuffled too many times.

I highly recommend www.answersincreation.org as being relevant to the truth in these matters.

What evolved characteristic was reached in man that differentiated him from the other creatures? Both man and all other creatures have souls� what difference is there between man's soul and the souls of animals? Only man has a free will. ...

...The attainment of a free will is dependent on the attainment of a certain level of intelligence, ...

If Adam was the first primate to genetically evolve in intelligence sufficiently to have a free will- only at which point he could be held responsible for his actions, then it would be critically essential for his mate to have an identical set of chromosomes. Yet Adam was unique, being the first to reach this level.

How did God solve this problem?

And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. (Gen. 2:18, 21�23)

It is possible to clone a woman from a man. However, it is not possible to clone a man from a woman. Did God clone Eve from Adam so that the required trait would be retained by Adam's offspring?

This is an appealing view of a process with an inherent tendency to drift toward an organic goal but it doesn't explain how a random system can suddenly turn into one capable of replicating itself. It is not clear that an evolutionary process without replication must inevitably, or can indeed ever, lead to one that does include it. ...The evolution of life presents a similar problem, and may have followed the same kind of sequence, beginning with the existence of a suitable crystal, probably a very small one, relatively insoluble in water. A colloidal mineral would be ideal, and none is in fact more common, or better suited to the needs of a primitive gene, or more appropriate in a biblical sense, than clay.

And Jehovah God formed man of the dust (Hebrew: clay) of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7)

For a complete and concise treatment of this subject, visit: amessageforthehumanrace

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Message 55 of 60 (659480)
04-16-2012 8:20 AM
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04-06-2012 11:01 AM


Creation science is science. The evidence does grow, just like evolution gets rewritten. Every time a scientist finds a fossil, it not only adds to the evidence of evolution, but also creation science. It's the same evidence, just a different conclusion. Evolution is just an incomplete version of creation science. They both have mountains of evidence, but creation science also explains how mountains were made and evolution does not.
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Message 56 of 60 (659486)
04-16-2012 8:56 AM
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04-16-2012 8:20 AM


OI writes:

but creation science also explains how mountains were made


No. Geology explains how mountains are formed.

OI writes:

and evolution does not.


And only a moron would think otherwise.

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Message 57 of 60 (659499)
04-16-2012 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:20 AM


It's the same evidence, just a different conclusion.

No, it's not, because there is evidence (like the convergence in phylogenies between Geomyidae and Geomydoecus) which evolution can and does explain but "creation science" does not.

What is the creationism explanation for Geomyidae and Geomydoecus? In five years I've not had a single creationist be able to supply an answer. Maybe you'll be the first.


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Message 58 of 60 (675193)
10-08-2012 2:45 AM


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Message 59 of 60 (704952)
08-20-2013 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Archer Opteryx
10-16-2006 7:45 PM


Thank you
Thank you for this great report. Its very creative. Creative not in the sense of creationism. But in a good sense. Its totally true what you said. Creationism is evolving and as Friedrich Nietzsche said 150 years ago "Religion will not be a part of the far future". It trial and errors itself out eventually but not without some fierce and hateful debating from the side of the creationists. What makes me alert and fearful again and again is this hold the other cheek slave moralism from the side of those who are tolerant to anything and anybody. That part of society has allowed Adolf Hitler. We should always be on the alert when we see people turning a blind eye to this kind of unfairness as in this case creationism because if we all allowed this to elbow itself into all kinds of public institutions (which is already the case since its taught even in some public schools), then it will proliferate itself and permeate into any creek and crack of society and history will curve itself back to meet the stone ages where "witches" were burned. So lets not go there ever again.
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Message 60 of 60 (705520)
08-28-2013 10:17 AM
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10-17-2006 6:10 AM


Re: Religious phylogeny
Here's a picture of a phylogenetic tree based on the evolutionary history of world religions (note that it's inaccurate to some extent):

Evolutionary Phylogeny of Religion

Based on this scheme, the myriad of major monotheistic religions share a common ancestor as do the polytheistic religions of Europe/Middle East/India. Of course deciding whether one religion is the same species as another depends on if you're a lumper or a splitter. I'm definitely a lumper and classify them all as superstition.


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