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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Part II.
Minnemooseus
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Message 121 of 306 (169184)
12-16-2004 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by JonF
12-16-2004 9:41 PM


Natural Carbon isotope fractionation
From:
Principles of Isotope Geology
Gunter Faure
1977, John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
I suspect there is a more recent edition out, but the above is the one I have.
From Chapter 20 - Carbon, p. 379:
quote:
Carbon (Z=6) has two stable isotopes: 12C=98.89 percent and 13C=1.11 percent. In addition, radioactive 14C occurs in nature due to its formation in the upper atmosphere by an (n,p) reaction on stable 14N.
and
quote:
The isotopes of carbon are fractionated by a variety of natural processes, including photosynthesis and isotope exchange reactions among carbon compounds. Photosynthesis leads to enrichment of 12C in biologically synthesized organic compounds. On the other hand, isotope exchange reactions between CO2 gas and aqueous carbonate species tent to enrich carbonates in13C. As a result, the isotopic abundance of 13C in terrestrial carbon varies by about 10 percent.
Of course, the book goes on into a greater detail discussion of this.
I didn't dig around, to find out what influence on Carbon dating these fractionations have. I am confident it is not a fatal influence.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 125 of 306 (169238)
12-17-2004 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by johnfolton
12-17-2004 12:00 AM


Re: Speculations
Craig, referring to my message 121 writes:
It would be interesting to see if Moose geology book has more information in respect to C14 being able to fractionate or if its just c12 fractionating into c13.
The chemical processes lightly touched on in message 121 DO NOT change one isotope of Carbon into another.
Quoting myself from 121:
quote:
On the other hand, isotope exchange reactions between CO2 gas and aqueous carbonate species tend to enrich carbonates in13C.
What this is saying, as I understand it, is that when C03 disolved in water comes in contact with atmospheric CO2, there is an exchange of C between the two phases. In this exchange, the 12C tends to slightly preferentially go into the atmospheric CO2, and the 13C tends to slightly preferentially go into the disolved carbonate (CO3). This would cause in any precipitated CO3 (I presume as CaCO3) to be higher in 13C.
I don't know how this process might effect 14C in the sediments. It would seem that it would also be slightly enriched. BUT the Carbon dating is NOT being done on the carbonate (per someone upthread), but rather on organic carbon from plant debris.
Moose
ps: Doing all these sub and superscripts sure is a pain.

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