Hammer found in Cretaceous layer

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Has it been proven that it isn't a finger? If so, by whom?

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Just look at the thing ! How can you possibly say that it IS a finger ?While the pphoto here looks a bit more convincing than the one on Baugh's site we still have no more than a vague resemblence
http://home.texoma.net/~linesden/cem/finger/finger.htm
The claims about internal structure are also obviously bogus (why does the "bone" stop so short of the tip ?And just consider - what are the chances that we would get a fossil finger - that is with the flesh preserved and nothing else ? There's no shortage of things that should survive better than the soft parts of a finger (all the major bones in a human body for a start !).On the other hand the infilled burrows of prehistoric crustaceans are quite common in the Cretaceous
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/..._origins/carbbones/burrow.html
trace_fossils

You don't follow such ridiculous logic in your daily life, why would you think it would work in the more stringent world of science? Say I tried to sell you magic beans, and when you expressed skepticism I said, "Prove that they're not magic beans," would that really convince you? Would you really accept that as a valid argument?You've been here a long time, so one would expect you'd have learned a little bit about fossils by now. Have you ever heard of flesh fossilizing? It's a pretty rare event, right? Mostly what we find is fossilized bone with no hint of the soft parts, not even the cartilage and tendons. So a little skepticism is called.And this is Carl Baugh's finger, which isn't available for study. This means a lot of skepticism is called for.Rather than continuing to introduce Carl's "evidence" into this thread, it might be more productive if you addressed some of the actual issues surrounding Carl's way of conducting "science." Why don't you finally reply to Message 55 and Message 83 and Message 92, focusing on the issues of gullibility, credibility, and how we know what we know.--PercyThis message has been edited by Percy, 02-04-2005 13:34 AM

Hi Roxrkool,A rock that looks like a Yukon gold potato? I can't help but wonder if you found a dino egg or a coprolite. I've got a rock that looks much like a potato (appears to be obsidian, but I'm not sure); it has a very symetrical shape and a strange, wrinkly appearance. It was given to my dad to carve a small figurine from (he can do that...does a lot of his carving under a microscope!). He felt the rock looked odd, and ultimately decided not to carve anything from it--only AFTER he had polished a facet (about the size of a dime) on one end of it. We'll forever hate that he marred it like that. For the longest time I considered it to be a coprolite, but after several months decided it is most likely a dino egg (it has a leathery texture and a oval shape much like some snake eggs a snake I owned had laid (but considerably larger).Anyways...--TheLit

Hi Lit,Nope, unfortunately it's just a rock. It's a well-rounded quartzite cobble.Yours sounds interesting. Maybe you can post a photo (probably start another thread, however)? Obsidian is a volcanic glass, usually black, but also white, brown, red - what color is your rock?

Hi Roxrkool,My rock is shiny black (when polished)...I suppose it could be quartz (my dad is a gemologist...he might be able to tell whether it be obsidian or quartz).Anyway...I have posted a pic in the Coffee House--TheLitI didn't realize obsidian could be so colorful. Wow.

A bit on obsidian: obsidiansnowflake obsidian"Obsidian is hot stuff"

Hi Roxrkool, Whoa! Who'da thunk that?(I would consider ANY operation on MY eyes to be a very sensititve operation...heh).Loved the arrowheads (and various colors of obsidian) in that last link!Thanks,
--TheLitThis message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 02-15-2005 03:20 AM

That last guy is one hell of a knapper.

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One thing is for sure, it's not a dino egg.
It's weathered probably from river action. May be an iron concretion of sorts.Joe MeertThis message has been edited by Joe Meert, 02-15-2005 11:27 AM

If it was wrought iron, smelted using charcoal the C14 C12 ratios would presumably be the same as the charcoal itself (being the source of the carbon, and therefore testable....

Thanks joz. I had no idea. Would there be sufficient residue in a manufactured item like a hammer to get enough carbon to sample? Do you have any (non-specialist) descriptions/discussions of this kind of thing (dating metal with high-carbon residue) that I could look at?Thanks again.

14C dating iron like that might be pretty chancy, though - if it was smelted with limestone or with coal/coke it would date old. I'll bet that metallurgical analysis would tell "modern" steel from ancient in a heartbeat - but True Believers would only say "see how advanced Noah's grandad was!!!"

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True Believers would only say "see how advanced Noah's grandad was!!!"

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Is that what the true believers say? I thought they were saying, "See how fast fossils form? All fossils are young!"