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jar
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Message 151 of 196 (445564)
01-02-2008 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Pahu
01-02-2008 9:39 PM


Re: Crater Creep
You should likely read what Glen himself has to say about a young earth.
Why do Young Earth Creationists need to lie?

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Message 152 of 196 (445566)
01-02-2008 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Pahu
01-02-2008 9:32 PM


Re: Whoops.
Pahu: It sounds like you would like nothing better. It is understandable that you would prefer to be free of scientific facts that disprove evolution. That is usually the response of those who don’t want their pet erroneous presuppositions threatened. So much for the free exchange of ideas, right?
So come up with a legitimate fact then.

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Message 153 of 196 (445581)
01-02-2008 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Pahu
01-02-2008 9:39 PM


Demonstrate some honesty Pahu
Each of the so-called facts that you cut an paste have been shredded. You more or less ignore the responses and post more junk.
It is not honest discussion to behave this way. The image that it projects of you is someone who doesn't even understand the material he is copying.
Please focus on ONE thing and finish the discussion. We have already had all this stuff posted here over and over. We don't need you to do it again.
If you are willing to defend the material do so! If you are not do not post it.
Thanks.
You have been indulged long enough time to act like a big boy now.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 154 of 196 (445600)
01-03-2008 1:38 AM
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01-02-2008 9:39 PM


Re: Crater Creep
For the last 150 years, the age of the Earth, as assumed by evolutionists, has been doubling at roughly a rate of once every 15 years. In fact, since 1900 this age has multiplied by a factor of 100!
As you know this to be a lie, perhaps you should stop reciting it.

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anglagard
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Message 155 of 196 (445602)
01-03-2008 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Pahu
01-02-2008 9:39 PM


Re: Crater Creep
Pahu writes:
For the last 150 years, the age of the Earth, as assumed by evolutionists, has been doubling at roughly a rate of once every 15 years. In fact, since 1900 this age has multiplied by a factor of 100!
My 1974 General Geophysics textbook (Physics and Geology by Jacobs, Russell, and Wilson) says 4.55 billion years. 2008-1974=34 years. So, let's see, are you lying?

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Dr Adequate
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Message 156 of 196 (445603)
01-03-2008 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Pahu
01-01-2008 4:17 PM


Re: Moon Dust and Debris
Rather than making Creation scientists look foolish, these facts confirm their conclusions.
Then why do creationists themselves denounce the moon dust lie? Evedently AnswerInGenesis think that it makes creationists look foolish. And for once, they are right.
Here are creationists Rush and Snelling:
quote:
So are there any loopholes in the evolutionists’ case that the current apparent meteoritic dust influx to the lunar surface and the quantity of dust found in the thin lunar surface dust layer and the regolith below do not contradict their multi-billion year timescale for the moon’s history? Based on the evidence we currently have the answer has to be that it doesn’t look like it." (Snelling and Rush, Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal, 1993)
The fact remains that scientists were concerned because they thought the universe was billions of years old, which would result in much more dust, given the measurements recording the annual dust entering the earth’s atmosphere.
No direct measurement had been made at the time where your phoney figures originate. It has now. See Love and Brownlee, "A Direct Measurement of the Terrestrial Mass Accretion Rate of Cosmic Dust", Science 262, 1993.
By the way, have you ever noticed how quickly dust accumulates on your furniture?
This is amusing. Do you suppose that the dust on furniture is cosmic dust, or what?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 157 of 196 (445604)
01-03-2008 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by jar
01-02-2008 10:37 PM


Re: Crater Creep
jar
Why do Young Earth Creationists need to lie?
Truth in the YEC camp died out 6000 years ago it seems.

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Pahu
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Message 158 of 196 (445690)
01-03-2008 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by AdminNosy
01-02-2008 11:25 PM


Re: Demonstrate some honesty Pahu
Nosy: Each of the so-called facts that you cut an paste have been shredded. You more or less ignore the responses and post more junk.
Pahu: I don’t recall seeing any shredding of the facts I have shared. I have seen a lot of denial and alternate explanations and opinions.
Nosy: It is not honest discussion to behave this way. The image that it projects of you is someone who doesn't even understand the material he is copying.
Please focus on ONE thing and finish the discussion. We have already had all this stuff posted here over and over. We don't need you to do it again.
If you are willing to defend the material do so! If you are not do not post it.
Thanks.
You have been indulged long enough time to act like a big boy now.
Pahu: If I accurately understand your rules, I am not allowed to present facts, only opinions. Therefore, my defense of my position is I am right and you are wrong”in my humble opinion!

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Pahu
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Message 159 of 196 (445691)
01-03-2008 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Dr Adequate
01-03-2008 1:38 AM


Re: Crater Creep
Dr Adequate: As you know this to be a lie, perhaps you should stop reciting it.
Pahu: I know it to be the absolute truth”in my humble opinion.

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Pahu
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Message 160 of 196 (445692)
01-03-2008 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by anglagard
01-03-2008 1:51 AM


Re: Crater Creep
Anglagard: My 1974 General Geophysics textbook (Physics and Geology by Jacobs, Russell, and Wilson) says 4.55 billion years. 2008-1974=34 years. So, let's see, are you lying?
Pahu: Don’t you know you are breaking the rules when you introduce outside information? Shame on you! No I am not lying, I am right”in my humble opinion.

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JonF
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Message 161 of 196 (445693)
01-03-2008 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Pahu
01-02-2008 9:39 PM


Re: Crater Creep
Calculations show that the growing upward bulges of large crater floors on the Moon should occur to their current extent in only 10,000 to 10,000,000 years (a).
As Glen Morton writes now, at Accomplishments : Publications, Oil fields and Patents:
quote:
This view is erroneous in that it ignores the extreme temperature dependence of viscosity on temperature. At lunar temperatures, the viscosity would be such that a lunar crater could stand for billions of years. Furthermore, if the concepts utilized in this article were true (i.e. that glass could flow) astronomers would have to re-grind their lenses and mirrors every few years. This doesn't happen. This argument was used in Paul Ackerman's book, It's a Young World After All (Baker, 1986), p. 52-53. It is an erroneous argument that I wish I had never come up with.
And from Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?
quote:
Moon Rock Viscosity [OAB 56] In a paper published in a young-Earth journal (Creation Research Society Quarterly, v.20, pp.105-108 (Sept 1983)), former young-Earth advocate Glenn R. Morton attempted to calculate the time it would take for lunar craters to be erased by the slow flow of rock. The central parameter in the calculation is the viscosity of the rock (its resistance to flow). As a rock's temperature approaches its melting point, its viscosity becomes low enough (although still a trillion trillion times higher than that of honey) for some flow to be observed over long time periods. This phenomenon allows, for example, convection in the Earth's mantle, which is crucial to Plate Tectonics, and in turn to many geophysical processes. Viscous flow can also be observed in many other solids, from glass to Silly Putty, but always at temperatures that are rather close to the melting point of the solid. Morton attempted to apply this process to rocks on the surface of the Moon. However, by failing to understand viscosity's extreme dependence on temperature, he grossly underestimated the viscosities of lunar rocks. Morton assumed that the viscosity of the Moon's surface rocks would be comparable to the highest measured rock viscosities (those of Earth's mantle). However, since a rock's viscosity increases exponentially as its temperature falls (and the Earth's mantle is very hot while the Moon is very cold), the viscosities of moon rocks are exponentially higher than the viscosities in Earth's mantle. In fact, moon rock viscosities are so high that they are practically infinite, meaning that no flow will occur (i.e., rocks are more likely to break or fracture than to flow). Since the flow of rock is basically impossible at the temperatures that exist on the Moon's surface, there will be no relaxation of lunar craters, and thus no problem with the age of the Moon.
Not properly accounting for the temperature dependence of viscosity is a fatal flaw. That claim is shredded.

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Message 162 of 196 (445694)
01-03-2008 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Pahu
01-03-2008 12:35 PM


Re: Demonstrate some honesty Pahu
Pahu writes:
If I accurately understand your rules, I am not allowed to present facts, only opinions.
Not even close. You have been asked to produce facts. For example, you have been asked repeatedly to present the creationist determination of the age of the earth. Do that.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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jar
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Message 163 of 196 (445695)
01-03-2008 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Pahu
01-03-2008 12:39 PM


age changes over time.
Pahu writes:
For the last 150 years, the age of the Earth, as assumed by evolutionists, has been doubling at roughly a rate of once every 15 years. In fact, since 1900 this age has multiplied by a factor of 100!
Let's look. Here is a link to some age estimates from before 1900.
Your assertion is refuted.
Since your sources are shown time after time to be lying to you, why would you think they are not lying about God? (they are you know, follow them and you will go to Hell!)

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Pahu
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Message 164 of 196 (445696)
01-03-2008 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Dr Adequate
01-03-2008 1:55 AM


Re: Moon Dust and Debris
Dr Adequate: Then why do creationists themselves denounce the moon dust lie? Evedently AnswerInGenesis think that it makes creationists look foolish. And for once, they are right.
Pahu: They are wrong, I am right”in my humble opinion.
Dr Adequate: Here are creationists Rush and Snelling:
Pahu: There you go breaking the rules again.
Dr Adequate: No direct measurement had been made at the time where your phoney figures originate.
Pahu: They are not phony, they are accurate”in my humble opinion.
Dr Adequate: It has now. See Love and Brownlee, "A Direct Measurement of the Terrestrial Mass Accretion Rate of Cosmic Dust", Science 262, 1993.
Pahu: Can’t do that, it breaks the rules. Remember, opinions only.
Dr Adequate: This is amusing. Do you suppose that the dust on furniture is cosmic dust, or what?
Pahu: Yes”in my humble opinion.

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jar
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Message 165 of 196 (445697)
01-03-2008 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Pahu
01-03-2008 12:56 PM


Re: Moon Dust and Debris
No, the rule is NOT opinions only. Why much you continue to repeat falsehoods?
The RULE is that you need to be able to defend what you post; you, using reason, logic and reality.
The problem is that you really are totally ignorant when it comes to science and since you seem unable to examine evidence and make conclusions, it is likely you are going to Hell.

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