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elcano
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Message 61 of 132 (377557)
01-17-2007 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by anastasia
01-16-2007 5:44 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
see messag 8
and Giovanni Battista Mascolo
http://libraries.luc.edu/about/exhibits/jesuits/1580.shtml
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elcano
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Message 62 of 132 (377561)
01-17-2007 2:22 PM
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01-16-2007 5:46 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
Date on a monument from Torre del Greco is on December, 16th, 1631
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elcano
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Message 63 of 132 (377563)
01-17-2007 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by AdminNosy
01-16-2007 5:59 PM


Re: Translate or don't post
The reference leave please.
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Message 64 of 132 (377565)
01-17-2007 2:32 PM
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01-17-2007 2:30 PM


reference?
The reference leave please.

What do you mean?


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elcano
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Message 65 of 132 (377567)
01-17-2007 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Dr Adequate
01-16-2007 6:00 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
See Message 47
Only 18 century gives us such data.
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elcano
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Message 66 of 132 (377568)
01-17-2007 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Percy
01-16-2007 6:04 PM


Re: Why do you believe this stuff?
Thanks for translation, but you have translated only the first part. I have resulted the second part in the message 49. (but in French) Please translate this part, differently it will clean.
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Message 67 of 132 (377570)
01-17-2007 2:46 PM
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01-17-2007 2:22 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
elcano writes:

Date on a monument from Torre del Greco is on December, 16th, 1631

We already talked about this...it was your first post, remember?

We all know Vesuvius erupted in 1631.


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elcano
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Message 68 of 132 (377571)
01-17-2007 2:46 PM
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01-17-2007 2:32 PM


Re: reference?
The text can be cleaned, but to leave as it to find.
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anastasia
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Message 69 of 132 (377574)
01-17-2007 2:57 PM
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01-17-2007 2:42 PM


Re: Why do you believe this stuff?
elcano writes:

Thanks for translation, but you have translated only the first part. I have resulted the second part in the message 49. (but in French) Please translate this part, differently it will clean.

It has been translated twice already, once by me and once by RAZD.

I am not sure what the point is, elcano. If you want to prove that Vesuvius only erupted once then don't give references from a man who went looking for an ancient Roman city. Just tell us already what your point is.

Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.


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Message 70 of 132 (377575)
01-17-2007 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by elcano
01-17-2007 2:46 PM


Board administration steps again...
Hi Elcano,

We recognize that English is a second language for you, and even realize that it is possible that you don't know English at all and are just using a translation program, but that doesn't relieve you of certain responsibilities. My concerns had settled down as it was beginning to appear that a dialogue with you was possible, but your recent very short and very cryptic responses have raised my concern levels again. In the future please follow these suggestions when composing a message:

  • Quote the passage of the message you're replying to.

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Message 71 of 132 (377576)
01-17-2007 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Wepwawet
01-16-2007 10:28 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
The Neapolitan kingdom in 17 century is not Italian. It belongs to Spain. In what language wrote official documents (laws) we does not know.
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elcano
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Message 72 of 132 (377578)
01-17-2007 3:07 PM
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01-17-2007 2:46 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
You seriously think, that the monument to victims of eruption of 1631 is a monument on events by an event 1500 years ago.
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Message 73 of 132 (377581)
01-17-2007 3:16 PM
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01-17-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
elcano writes:

The Neapolitan kingdom in 17 century is not Italian. It belongs to Spain. In what language wrote official documents (laws) we does not know.

I don't know about that, or even whether the language of official documents is important, since it's the predominant language used by the inhabitants that is significant here, but whatever language it was, it wasn't Latin, which was a dead language by the 17th century. The language of excavated Pompeii was Latin.

Your point also contains a fallacy. While France and Spain battled over control of the Naples region from the 14th century onwards, this had little influence on the language used by the inhabitants, which was a dialect of Italian. When William the Conqueror put England under the control of France in 1066, England did not suddenly become a French speaking country. In the same way, as control by France and Spain ebbed and flowed, the language spoken by the inhabitants also did not change, certainly not in any significant way.

--Percy


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anastasia
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Message 74 of 132 (377582)
01-17-2007 3:19 PM
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01-17-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
elcano writes:

The Neapolitan kingdom in 17 century is not Italian. It belongs to Spain. In what language wrote official documents (laws) we does not know

Sicily was split between French possession of the mainland and Spanish possession of the Island...but it doesn't mean anything as 'evidence'. Even if part of Sicily was ruled by France, it doesn't mean everyone suddenly spoke French.

The point is, the city found which we call Pompeii, had no French, Spanish, Italian, only Latin. Sure, it is possible to find a 17th century document written in Latin...but come on. You want us to believe that they were all speaking Latin AND living in Roman buildings in 1631?


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Message 75 of 132 (377585)
01-17-2007 3:29 PM
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01-17-2007 3:07 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
elcano writes:

You seriously think, that the monument to victims of eruption of 1631 is a monument on events by an event 1500 years ago.

I never said that, elcano. The monument is about the event of 1631, and about the men who were able to clear the roads. But I feel very confident in saying that Herculaenum for one did not exist in 1631, and that your monument is only making a reference to the past eruption.

Do YOU seriously believe that all of our archaelogists totally forgot about this monument that 'proves' Vesuvius never erupted before? There must be millions of tourists at the Via Nazionale every year.


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