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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and an Old Earth
edge
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Message 48 of 297 (99171)
04-11-2004 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by johnfolton
04-11-2004 12:21 AM


Re: dating correlations
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Coragyps, I don't know much about the lake in question, but would think that storms would stir up the clays including whatever diatoms your talking about, causing an illusion of multiple algae layers, which you probably are mistakening for more than one year, etc...as they resettle quickly, with the pollens, and different particles of clay seal above, etc...
This does not explain the correlation between radiometric ages and varve layers. Why is it so close if every storm 'stirs up' the sediments? Do you have the same number of storms every year? Do you have evidence of sediment transport? Why are there any varves at all if the sediments are so easily disrupted?
I would also like to hear your mechanism for 'stirring' lake-bottom sediments by storms.

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edge
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Message 86 of 297 (99570)
04-12-2004 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by RAZD
04-12-2004 11:41 PM


Re: Still Can't Explain the Correlations eh?
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There is no "factoring in" of correlations in this matter ... for you have yet to explain one (1) correlation from one dating system to another.
There are reasons that C-14 is invalid for coal and oil ... and again I touch on the difference between a scientist and a creatortionista: when there is an anomaly in the data the scientist will look for the cause, the creatortionista will say "the system's flawed and can't be relied on" hoping fervently that people won't turn to the scientist and ask {why?}.
I did a google on {carbon 14 coal} and found this article by Kathleen Hunt
Carbon-14 in Coal Deposits
...
There is another interesting point here. Even though every sample referred to by YECs has some C14 in it, all of the dates derived from those samples range from 40ky to 60ky. So really, they are all at the limit of the range of usefulness of carbon dating. Now, what that means is the the sample is 'at least' 40 to 60ky; not that the sample is actually of those ages. Trying to explain this to a YEC, however, is usually impossible.
I think you have explained very adequately why there is C14 in a sample so old as Paleozoic coal. What happens is that background radiation produces a noise of 'constant' low C14 values. This noise is not meaningful data, whatever the YECs try to say and no matter how sensitive the new instruments are.

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edge
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Message 172 of 297 (122529)
07-06-2004 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by johnfolton
07-06-2004 9:17 PM


Re: Problems with annual varves, reposted from the fossil sorting thread!
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We all know that Walt Browns liquefication/water lensing is a quite interesting theory/science explaining fossil sorting (settling within the liquefication suspended sediments water lens)as the fossils sorted upwards, you all should realize more than one varve can be laid down per year, like whats being seen formed via undercurrents, similar to Walts liquefication water lensing principles, etc...
Actually, if Walt's liquefaction were a factor, there wouldn't be any varves...
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One last point, acquifiers ...
"Acquifiers"????
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...are sediments that are not yet compressed into sedimentary rock, ...
Where do you get this stuff? The Comedy Channel?
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...these acquifiers are the leftover evidences of the biblical flood liquefication water lens event, the problem were finding within municipalities that draw these acquifiers down, is that the macro space containing the waters compress and once the acquifier sediments are compressed the acquifier is unable to uncompressed via the rainwater recharge principle, more evidence that these sediments were laid down within the bibilical flood, via the principle of liquefication/water lensing, its like mineral water, not salt water, more evidence of the world flood, because these waters are like fossils, cause only a world flood could explain the fresh waters within the sediments, its not like salt water that bonds the colloids affecting sediment layerings over the oceans, more evidence supporting the fresh water lensing over the continents, varves, the freshwater water table, etc...
Just a wild guess, but I think that you haven't a clue as to what you are tlaking about.
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You then have the rocks still rising up each year in the farmers fields, via the frost pressing them up. These rocks were sorted quite recently, supporting the biblical flood was the event that caused the glaciation that was a part of the sorting of these rocks, frost only goes approximately 3.5 ro 4 feet deep(the reason contractors lay foundations below the frost level so the frost doesn't lift your foundations), ...
What if I lived in Panama? Would this mechanism still work?
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...if these rocks were laid down millions of years ago, would they not of already all surfaced via the frost pressing them annually upwards to the earths surface.
Hopeless...
I don't suppose it would occur to you that the soil formation process represents only the tiniest fraction of the time since the first deposition of the sediments...

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Message 190 of 297 (122844)
07-08-2004 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by johnfolton
07-07-2004 8:19 PM


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Its kind of interesting the times we live, and how much of an increase in earthquakes, in our times, like are they not warning signs, placing the earthquakes in the divers places, etc... kjv Matthew 24:7 earthquakes in divers places, sure sounds like along the coastlines. Is not this what were seeing, earthquakes along the trenches, the coastlines, like it is quite interesting that the Word is in line with earthquakes in divers places, how does this not infer along the coastlines which interestingly jive with earthquakes happening in the natural along the trenches, the islands, the mid-ocean ridges, the ring of fire, etc...
Umm, you do understand, don't you, that 'divers' means 'diverse' and not a place where people go diving like shorelines, mid-ocean ridges and trenches?

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edge
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Message 210 of 297 (135988)
08-21-2004 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Hangdawg13
07-27-2004 2:32 AM


Re: bump for HangDawg
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Again, the best creo site I've seen so far written by someone who has been familiar with the debate and who does not swallow everything other creo writers tell him without checking it out is: The Radiometric Dating Game
He has been in contact with people at Talkorigins and seems to know where the TRUE arguments lie, but I'm sure there's probably an evo explanation cooked up for almost every point he raises too.
Ah, yes, David Plaisted. A computer engineer. A very good source for geochronological information.
I debated him once. He didn't last very long.
I will say that David is sincere and really wants to believe that radiometric dating is seriously flawed. Because of the religious conotations, however, he cannot deal with a lot of the facts and simply ignores them.

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