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ringo
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Message 781 of 867 (840591)
10-02-2018 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 780 by creation
10-02-2018 3:40 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

All the so called science fables on origins are made up nonsense. They have no depth.


You have no depth. Pick a topic and discuss it in depth.

Hint: this topic is about age correlations - i.e. it's about a lot of different, unrelated methods that all come up with the same answers. Even if you could shoot down one of them - and nobody ever has - you'd still be at square one. You'd have to shoot down all of them to prove that the conclusion is false.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 782 of 867 (840602)
10-02-2018 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 780 by creation
10-02-2018 3:40 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

The cunningly devised fables that have been criminally called science are ALL based on the same beliefs.

This is just juvenile pratter, if you want to make a seriuos point you're going to have to show why the dating methods shown in the thread are wrong. You have to explain why all the methods we have that confirm each other are incorrect.

Why not try that?


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Taq
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Message 783 of 867 (840632)
10-02-2018 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 780 by creation
10-02-2018 3:40 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

You CANNOT discuss what time is like in the far universe because you do not know even what time is here.

Why should we even care about your rantings? It's not like you will be convinced by logic, reason, or evidence, so why should your opinions carry any weight?


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Message 784 of 867 (840641)
10-02-2018 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by Tangle
10-02-2018 4:16 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
to message 782

Easy to do. Show the method you use to get distance to far stars. It involves time. So when you use fishbowl time as the big measure for everything, assuming time is the same at all points in the universe, you are doing so ignorantly and with zero basis.

As for so called dating methods, they all use the present as the key to the past. They all use the present nature as the basis to extrapolate back..via radioactive decay, tree growth...etc etc etc.

This is religion.


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Message 785 of 867 (840642)
10-02-2018 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by Taq
10-02-2018 6:25 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
to post 783

Logic based on beliefs is religion.


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Message 786 of 867 (840643)
10-02-2018 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by ringo
10-02-2018 3:51 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
to post 781

All so called correlations are based on the same belief...you pick one. Tree rings...starlight...decay...fossils...etc.

Bring it.


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Percy
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Message 787 of 867 (840648)
10-02-2018 7:14 PM
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10-02-2018 7:02 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
You're putting the message number of the post you're replying to at the top of your recent messages, e.g.:

creation writes:

to post 781

There's no need to do this. At the top and bottom of each your messages it already provides this information. For example at the top right of your message it says:

quote:
Reply to: Message 781 by ringo

--Percy


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Message 788 of 867 (840664)
10-02-2018 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 787 by Percy
10-02-2018 7:14 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
ok
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Tangle
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Message 789 of 867 (840677)
10-03-2018 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 784 by creation
10-02-2018 7:00 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

As for so called dating methods, they all use the present as the key to the past. They all use the present nature as the basis to extrapolate back..via radioactive decay, tree growth...etc etc etc.

Let's establish how far back we have to go for you - do you belive that the earth is only 6,000 years old? Or iflonger, how much?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 790 of 867 (840696)
10-03-2018 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by creation
10-02-2018 7:02 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

All so called correlations are based on the same belief...


Nope. Many of them are completely independent. Take your own examples: Tree rings...starlight...decay...fossils...etc. Show us how they are interrelated.

creation writes:

Bring it.


You're the one who has to bring it if you want anybody to take you seriously.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 791 of 867 (840700)
10-03-2018 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 790 by ringo
10-03-2018 11:42 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

Bring it.


You're the one who has to bring it if you want anybody to take you seriously.

No one is ever going to take him seriously.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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creation
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Message 792 of 867 (840704)
10-03-2018 12:22 PM
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10-03-2018 11:42 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
The correlations on earth all are based on present nature. The stuff about the far universe is all based on time being the same there also. Yes distances to stars also is based on this.
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Message 793 of 867 (840705)
10-03-2018 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 789 by Tangle
10-03-2018 2:50 AM


Re: And now some questions on past times
Yes, give or take some hundreds of years the earth was created around that long ago.
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Tangle
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Message 794 of 867 (840711)
10-03-2018 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by creation
10-03-2018 12:23 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

Yes, give or take some hundreds of years the earth was created around that long ago.

Ok, and the flood was about 4,300 yeras ago?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 795 of 867 (840712)
10-03-2018 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 792 by creation
10-03-2018 12:22 PM


Re: And now some questions on past times
creation writes:

The correlations on earth all are based on present nature. The stuff about the far universe is all based on time being the same there also. Yes distances to stars also is based on this.


So forget about the stars and just look at the dozens of correlations here on earth. Isn't time the same for all of them? How do you explain that lake varves in Japan and ice cores in Greenland and tree rings in the US are all in agreement? What is it that skews the three different measurements in three different places around the world by exactly the same amount? Be specific.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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