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Author Topic:   The Mosaic Law food laws show evidence of divine knowledge? Law advanced other ways?
custard
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Message 61 of 90 (111221)
05-28-2004 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by kendemyer
05-28-2004 5:53 PM


garbage, garbage, garbage
I read this and found it to be nothing but unsubstantiated conjecture. The closest thing approximating factual evidence I could identify was this example:
quote:
The bible is divinely inspired because Jews knew the following:
1- Isolation. {Don't hang with the}"Lepers"
2- Washing after handling dead bodies.
3- Sanitation. {it's a good idea to refrain from evacuating in the kitchen}
None of which implies anything other than a group of people observed over time that hanging out with lepers, washing after handling putrifying corpses , and not eating where you evacuate were sensible behaviors.
This link provides no evidence about other cultures. Certainly not the Chinese, who, without the benefit the OT developed higher levels of hygiene well before the Europeans did. I guess the practice wiping their butts with paper was divinely inspired?
Speaking of toilet paper, why isn't that mentioned in the bible? Using the same argument that Mosaic food laws infer divine knowledge, I can infer that the bible was NOT divinely inspired since surely even god himself knew the value of wiping after every bowel movement.
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Abshalom
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Message 62 of 90 (111225)
05-28-2004 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by custard
05-28-2004 6:04 PM


Re: garbage, garbage, garbage
Custard:
The art of wiping one's bilge hole had to wait until the writing of another inspired book ... the Quran.
Peace. Ab.

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kendemyer
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Message 63 of 90 (111228)
05-28-2004 6:21 PM


Levititucus: unscientific? experiments?
re:
Lev 11:33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto [any] of them falleth, whatsoever [is] in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
Lev 11:34 Of all meat which may be eaten, [that] on which [such] water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every [such] vessel shall be unclean.
Lev 11:35 And every [thing] whereupon [any part] of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; [whether it be] oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: [for] they [are] unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.
Where is the experimental evidence that this is unuseful?
Remember, he who asserts must prove.
I have not fact checked this info regarding rats and toxoplasmosis:
http://juad.neurofractal.org/story/2002/11/18/183218/64
http://www.restoredcog.org/articles/aaagf.pdf
Sincerly,
Ken

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Chiroptera
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Message 64 of 90 (111230)
05-28-2004 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by kendemyer
05-28-2004 6:21 PM


Re: Levititucus: unscientific? experiments?
Ken,
No one is disputing that some of the things in Leviticus are quite sensible. Unfortunately, it is because that they are sensible that they cannot be proof of divine inspiration. Especially since some people have just given you examples of things in Leviticus that are anti-sensible.

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Abshalom
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Message 65 of 90 (111231)
05-28-2004 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by kendemyer
05-28-2004 6:21 PM


Re: Levititucus: unscientific? experiments?
Dear Ken:
My point was and remains:
Lev. 11:35 says that an oven or stove that comes in contact with an unclean animal carcass must be destroyed while Lev. 11:36 says that a cistern into which an unclean animal carcass falls remains pure.
Do you not see the illogical connection?
Intense heat from the stove's fire would purify the oven. What purifies the well water?
Furthermore Lev. 11:36 implies that the person removing the carcass from the cistern becomes unpure while the water in the well remains pure. How logical is that?
If you cannot see the disconnection here, I cry uncle.
Peace. Ab.

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custard
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Message 66 of 90 (111234)
05-28-2004 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Abshalom
05-28-2004 6:15 PM


quite true
The art of wiping one's bilge hole had to wait until the writing of another inspired book ... the Quran
This is a good point, but I don't think it says anything about using toilet paper - you just wash your butt with your bare left hand. I'm not positive this is true, but I certainly never saw evidence of the average Saudi soldier using toilet paper in Saudi Arabia.

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Abshalom
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Message 67 of 90 (111236)
05-28-2004 6:40 PM
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05-28-2004 6:34 PM


Re: quite true
Dear Custard:
I was referring to the part where directions are given for cleaning one's bung with a smooth round stone or a clump of dry dirt. I would suppose that circa 670 CE., the value of paper was such that it would hardly have been used for butt-wipe. That ignoble task had to wait for 20th Century consumerism.
Peace. Ab.

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jar
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Message 68 of 90 (111240)
05-28-2004 6:46 PM
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05-28-2004 6:40 PM


Re: quite true
The biggest problem with that has to do with geography. Maize was only found in the New World and while Noah was gathering the animals he neglected to collect a supply of Corn Cobs. History therefore, has never been the same.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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custard
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Message 69 of 90 (111242)
05-28-2004 6:49 PM
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05-28-2004 6:46 PM


Re: quite true
Ab and Jar:

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kendemyer
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Message 70 of 90 (111244)
05-28-2004 6:57 PM


to: abshalom
to: abshalom
You have to show that breaking a stove is unscientific. What is scientifically wrong about breaking a stove? Are stoves unbreakable?
Again, he who asserts must prove. There is no doubt that the stove becomes ceremonially defiled and of course this emphasizes the fact that the filthy rat is unclean! Remember, the black plague? Rats are dangerous!
Sincerely,
Ken

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Abshalom
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Message 71 of 90 (111246)
05-28-2004 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by kendemyer
05-28-2004 6:57 PM


Re: to: ken
to: ken
You have to prove that a dead rat in the cistern does not impart impurity to the water. What is scientifically sound about drinking water from a cistern contaminated with dead rats? Is water self-purifying?
Again, he who cannot see the disconnect between Lev. 11:35 and Lev. 11:36 must no longer ask for examples of "nonmedical" Biblical references. There is no doubt that the cistern becomes hygienically defiled when a dead rat drops into it, and of course this emphasises the fact that Lev. 11:36 is not scientifically or medically accurate! Remember the Black Plague? Rats, dead or alive, are dangerous!
Peace. Ab.

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kendemyer
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Message 72 of 90 (111249)
05-28-2004 7:07 PM


dear abby, i beg to differ
Dear Abby (Abshalom):
If you were elible for my challenge (and you are not since you have not read the Macht study) the terms are that you have to prove your claim. This is quite clear. I have not seen you do that.
Sincerely,
Ken

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kendemyer
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Message 73 of 90 (111253)
05-28-2004 7:14 PM


to: ALL
TO: ALL
I am not making another post at EVC forum. Once again, I have caused the red bar to reach its near max for the activity level. I seem to have this effect on skeptics.
I regret to say, however, that I am solemnly promising not to make another post at EVCforum for 3 months (June, July, August are my work busy months).
Please petition EvcForum to restore full posting privilidges to me. I do not think it is fair that I do not have full posting privilidges and I think I should since I have been told privately in pm by board members that they like my post and feel I make a contribution. Percy said he wishes me to add columns. Please petition Evcforum to restore full posting privildges to day. Tell them you will boycott them! LOL
Sincerely,
Ken

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Abshalom
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Message 74 of 90 (111254)
05-28-2004 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by kendemyer
05-28-2004 7:07 PM


Re: dear kenny, i beg to differ
Dear Kenny (kendemyer):
I am not eligible for your terms of engagement partially because I have not had time in the last hour or so to go to the library to retrieve the Macht study and thereby qualify myself to receive the almighty wisdom you seem so wanting to impart only to those who succumb to your terms.
Be that as it may, my intent is not to "prove my claim." My intent was simply to provide you with what you asked for: an example of medical or scientific advice from the Bible that doesn't stand up to a reasonable test. It is quite clear that I did so.
I have not seen you respond to or admit that I was able to meet your challenge.
Enjoy your holiday weekend. See you in August.
Peace. Ab.
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kendemyer
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Message 75 of 90 (111255)
05-28-2004 7:16 PM


correction
The first line of the previous post should read that I am not making another post at EVCFORUM for 3 months and I later explain why.
Sincerely,
Ken

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