THE SIGN OF THE BEAST - All the bears do use their right hand

REVERSING THE ORDER OF THE PUZZLE MADE BY THE BEASTThe whole puzzle messed up were made by the beast [doctrine], specially in the first pages of the book/letter called Hebrews for the fulfillness of the eternal words, as it is said:And it shall speak words against the Most High, and shall crush the saints of the Most High: and it shall think itself able to change times and laws..* the Law and the times// *to change: which spiritually means: to turn it obscure//the meaning of "it" is the beast [it; the doctrine] using versions of the reality [translations eclipsed/darkened by the ministry of the black horse] to obscure the blessed and the sanctified, as it is said://For in a certain place He/She spoke of the seventh day thus: And Gehaveh rested the seventh day from all his works.. // where is the end of the sentence?////reversing to the principle, as originally written:/..and blessed it, and sanctified it, and called sabbath.//For in a certain place He/She spoke of the seventh day thus: And Gehaveh rested the seventh day from all his works and blessed it, and sanctified it, and called sabbath.*******And in this place again: If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing then it remaineth that some are to enter into it, and they to whom it was first preached did not enter because of unfidelity.REVERSING THE PUZZLE:Again.. ..limiteth.. ..a certain day.. ..saying by David.. ..Today.. ..after so long a time as it is said:.. ..to day....limiteth.. ..again.. ..a certain day.. ..saying by David.. ..Today.. ..after so long a time as it is said:.. ..to day..*******THE TRUTH ALONE - the Scriptures as originally written:The Law.. ..limiteth.. ..that again.. ..in the day called sabbath.. ..the common things be sanctified. For David only took the bread of the Presence.. ..after so long a time as it is said:..It is common bread anyway, how much more ..to day.. it shall be sanctified in the vessels".*******Written by Zsafira.*******LACONIC DECODIFICATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE TRUTH - Who Did Speak Of Another Sabbath:Now/ the major ishraelee’s sabbath/ seven days feast/ was at hand//
His brothers therefore said to him// Depart from here/ go unto Gewdea/ that your instructed also my behold your works which you are doing/ for no one does anything in secret/ when he himself seeks to be known publicly/ if you do these things/ show yourself to the world//For not even His brothers were remaining in Him//Gehav-oshuah/ therefore said to them//My Sabbath is not yet come to you/ but your sabbath is always passing away.*******Vulgate Version [Remastered by Vatican]:dicit ergo eis Iesus tempus meum nondum advenit tempus autem vestrum semper est paratumChalloner — Doouay Rheims version:Then Iesus said to them: My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready.The World English, also known as The Hebrew Names Version:Yeshua therefore said to them, My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready.Laconic Transcription: The Scripture of the Truth as originally written:Gehav-oshua therefore said to them, My seventh time has not yet come to you, but your seventh time is always terminated.*******Zsafira’s decodification of another Sabbath/The Last of the Seventy Weeks/ according to the ETERNAL COVENANT: an eternal seventh time/season*******My Sabbath has not yet come to you, but your sabbath is always getting over.*******Terminated : adj
1: having come or been brought to a conclusion; "the harvesting was complete"; "the affair is over, ended, finished"; "the abruptly terminated interview" [syn: complete, concluded, ended, over(p), all over]
2: (of e.g. a contract or term of office) having come to an endFrom Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
Terminate \Ter"mi*nate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Terminated; p. pr. & vb. n. Terminating.] [L. terminatus, p. p. of terminare. See Term.] 1. To set a term or limit to; to form the extreme point or side of; to bound; to limit; as, to terminate a surface by a line.*******Written by Zsafira

Hello Jessie,
(sorry, but this is a long one!)I have continued to think of you in my studies and day to day things. I have prayed for you and all.I had to go back to some of our previous posts to 'catch up' on things. You still never gave me the information on the encyclopedia at the Vatican. I finally heard from someone there after exhausting all possible ways to find out myself and guess what? There is no encyclopedia on the Vatican site. Odd. So now I scratch head wondering where you got the information from.Also, you made a comment that governments are allowed by God...etc,etc.I found this awhile back, and saved it. I ask you to read it, I am not disagreeing with you but agreeing.
But I will go one step further and elaborate on the subject as opposed to making comments and running off without explanations.Every human community needs an authority to govern it. (agreed that God allows governments) The foundation of such authority lies in human nature. It is necessary for the unity of the community. Its role is to ensure as far as possible the common good of the society.However, not all communities fulfill their function. Regimes whose nature is contrary to the natural law, to the public order, and to the fundamental rights of persons cannot achieve the common good of the nations on which they have been imposed.Therefore, when a state (or community) begins to harm the temporal welfare of the people in a profound and fundamental way, the state itself begins to fundamentally and profoundly resist God and the purpose for which he empowered the state.example: That the statement made in Romans 13 is not an absolute is confirmed by the existence of other God-endorsed revolutions in Scripture, such as all the times the Judges or the Maccabees, by God's strength, overthrew the pagans who had conquered Israel at different times.As to your comment on bowing down or praying in front of things like crosses, statues, etc.
Here is where I must ask you to read carefully. Only because it seems as though by your statement you condemn all of Christianity, as well as Judaism. My point,Is this the verse in Scripture you are referring to?
Leviticus 26:1Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Some separate Scripture translations....
NAB: "Do not make false gods for yourselves. You shall not erect an idol or a sacred pillar for yourselves, nor shall you set up a stone figure for worship in your land; for I, the LORD, am your God."Douay Rheims: "I am the Lord your God. You shall not make to yourselves any idol or graven thing: neither shall you erect pillars, nor set up a remarkable stone in your land, to adore it. For I am the Lord your God."Modern KJV: "You shall make no idols to yourselves; and you shall not set up for yourselves graven images, or a memorial pillar. And you shall not set up any image of stone in your land in order to bow down to it. For I am the LORD your God."RSV: "Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."Answer:As the Catholic Church Fathers often emphasized, and as the Rabbis openly admitted, the entire Temple complex in Jerusalem was an image of its Heavenly prototype. In both Judaism and Christianity, the image was seen as conveying and manifesting the reality of the thing signified, thus even the ancient Jews held that by worshipping at the Temple, they, in some mysterious way, had entered into Heaven itself.In fact, even the written word is an icon, and the ancient Jews held that words contained the essence of the thing named, thus, when Adam named the animals in the book of Genesis, he was declaring their essence, for by naming them he knew their very nature. The idea that the "Word," especially the spoken word, but even the written word, was held to be life creating, was foundational for both Judaism and later for Christianity, because both religions hold that God Himself spoke His Word, and all things came into being.
Lev 26:1 "You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven images or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your hand, to bow done to; for I am the Lord your God"This part of the Holiness Code is referrring back to the Code of the Covenant in Exodus:23: 20-23
....When my angel goes before you, and brings you in to the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and I blot them out, you shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works, but you shall utterly overthrow them and break their pillars in pieces.Since we only worship the one True God, this simply doesn't apply to us. It does apply to the Jews who worshipped calves as soon as they came out of Egypt, or the massebot Canaanite male fertility symbols.And since for the first 1500 years or so this wasn't an issue, why is it now? Why 'all of the sudden' someone 'suddenly realized' that after 1500+ years everything is being done wrong.
Am I the only one who sees 2000+ red flags popping up??????!
One cannot be so blind. But wait, there is more....More...while "bow down" holds the implication of "worship" in the verses that put forth the commandments, in need not always hold this implication.--it depends on the context--in other verses of the bible, individuals "bow down" w/ no intent to worship (as in, give to something or someone else what belongs solely to God). likewise, when catholics "bow down" before statues of saints or the holy family our intent is not to worship either.in Lev and Deut, the obvious context is that God does not want his people worshipping anyone or anything other then himself. that is why he says, "do not bown down." but look at bowing elsewhere in scripture (heck, i'll even use the KJV):Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
--note: in the RSV, it is interpreted "bow down" before your feet, but the KJV here proves my point even further by using the word "worship." even when the word worship is used, idolatry is not always taking place. also note that God here is commanding the liars to perform this action.Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;Gen 42:6 And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth.Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain F13 of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
--note: again the word "worship" is used, yet we know that Joshua is not giving the angel "God-required" worship but instead honor and veneration1 Sam 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.1 Kings 1:23 And they told the king, saying, Behold Nathan the prophet. And when he was come in before the king, he bowed himself before the king with his face to the ground.2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.1 Chron 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.Tobit 12:16 Then they were both troubled, and fell upon their faces: for they feared.Judith 14:7 But when they had recovered him, he fell at Judith's feet, and reverenced her, and said, Blessed art thou in all the tabernacles of Juda, and in all nations, which hearing thy name shall be astonished.Dan 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
--note: there's that word "worship" againDan 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.in these verses, individuals are "bowing down" to show honor, veneration, or respect. the word "worship" is even used on occasion, but the context reveals that even this word need not mean "giving to others glory which belongs solely go God."in short, context is essential to explain the nature and intent of the action(Using The Jerusalem Bible)Ex. 25:18-20 For the two ends of this throne of mercy you are to make two golden cherubs (Half-human, half-animal figures, corresponding to the tutelary deities guarding Babylonian shrines); you are to make them of beaten gold. Make the first cherub for one end and the second for the other, and fasten them to the two ends of the throne of mercy so that they make one piece with it. The cherubs are to have their wings spread upwards so that they overshadow the throne of mercy.Num. 21:8-9 and Yahweh answered him, "Make a fiery serpent and put it on a standard. If anyone is bitten and looks at it, he shall live." So Moses fashioned a bronze serpent which he put on a standard, and if anyone was bitten by a serpent, he looked at the bronze serpent and lived.One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations!
And finally, last but not least...Show me where he told us not......not that I fall for the error of thinking everything is in the bible, which is a tradition of men. Even Scriture states that if we were to write down all that Christ taught, there wouldnt be enough libraries in the world to hold it all. I am paraphrasing, but Im sure you know where it is in Scripture.
If I pray in front of a cross, how is it that you think I am praying TO the cross?. I also pray by my bed at night, do you think I am praying TO my bed? I also make pretend with my kids and give their stuffed animals voices (and our pets)...Do you think I think that those stuffed toys are real? Or that my pets think the same thoughts as the words I put 'in their mouths'.
Of course not.I feel that I may have overwhelmed you and I am sorry for that. I hope that you will at least read all that I have entered here and consider it. I would be more than willing to continue to provide Scriptural evidence as to your statement. Please ask if you require further proof.
Meanwhile, I am still waiting for proof to my original requests to you.
Hope to hear from you soon. Sorry I took so long to respond, Was checking out the claim that the Vatican is built on the seven hills mentioned in Revelations, found out that it wasnt. Those 'hills' cover hundreds of miles, and the Vatican isnt that big. But Rome is pretty none the less.
Have a good day.

And so are them Roman ladies.

Hi there again Jessie,
On my lunch break, so something started bugging me after my last post to you. I realized I had never asked you a very important question, one that I should have asked at the very beginning.Where do you think the Bible came from?Seems silly to ask now, but again, this is the MOST important question I ever asked myself. This is what started me on the narrow path. The realization of the answer rocked my very foundation, brought me to my knees and caused me to beg for forgivness, for mercy and for grace. I will never look back.So Jessie,
Where do you think the Bible came from?

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But I know what I know and I know the Truth:
FACT:THE ETERNAL HIGHER ESTABLISHED GOVERNMENTS ONLY!!!!!
FACT:IF THE HIGHER CANNOT TOUCH YOUR HEART,RICKA,THEN HE CANNOT OPEN YOUR EYES OR EARS.
I do hope He can,though.

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I also wonder why you call God by an English Catholic word[s] (Eternal Higher) yet....claim you know the truth, then refuse to share the truth with those who wish to understand?
I mean, if youre Catholic, then fine, say it. Gee whiz, you sound like a priest or nun anyway. (except for the part about statues) To hide hehind this veil does you no credit nor does it glorify Him. But yes, He has touched my heart in a way more profound than you will ever understand. That is why I am here. The Truth is obvious to those who sincerely wish to know it.How sincere are you? But just as important, again, where do you think the Bible came from?This message has been edited by Ricka, 10-24-2004 01:46 PM

They are, arent they?

Something else got me thinking?Exactly how was the Word of God spread before the invention of the printing press (around 1400 C.E.) or before the Books of the New Testament were written and collected? How was the Word of God spread before Christ was born? How did you spread the Word of God to people who couldnt read or write? How did you spread the Word of God to those who didnt speak your native tongue? I made the fatal mistake of re-reading your last posts and suddenly I realized what you were stating...

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I simply read the Holy Scriptures and listened to the Lamb.

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I would appreciate if you could show me where in Scripture does it state that God's word is expressed ONLY through Scripture?
For me to read Scripture and completely understand it, like you, would make things so much easier.
Because it seems that you have Scripture all figured out and if so then could I study under you? Because I would love to be that smart that I could equate the Word of God to a first grade math book.Not to be disrespectful, but it would make things so much easier to have the Eternal Higher figured out so easily as to simply open the book up and slap the side of my head and say "There it is! How could I have missed it!" without having any idea what context it was in.Ricka

Ricka,This is my final post here, but I doubt that it will be yours. Your words:
I would appreciate if you could show me where in Scripture does it state that God's word is expressed ONLY through Scripture?Those were not my words and yes, it does matter!!My EXACT words were:I simply read the Scriptures and listened to the Lamb...Gehaveh has touched my heart,opened my ears and my eyes. I do not follow any man made doctrines and love the Eternal with all my soul,strength,spirit and understanding.You said that the "worship of carvened images or idols" does not apply to you or any re'legion outside of the Jews who made a golden calf after leaving Egypt.Now, I will use your tatic:Kindly show me where in the living and breathing words of Gehaveh does it say that you or any re'legion is exempt from worshipping a graven or carved image or idol or whatever you want to call it??? Who are you to "believe" Ricka??? Man or the Eternal's words???? A graven or carved idol is still an idol either way you look at it...whether it is sugar coated or whitewashed.My fidelity[not faith nor belief]lies in Gehaveh and in His/Her Eternal words as originally written in the Scriptures. I worship what I know in Spirit and in Truth!!!JessThis message has been edited by jessie, 11-20-2004 10:20 AM

The Vatican is not within the seven hills of Rome. I've been there. It's outside the hills and across the Tiber River.The following is a map of Rome:http://www.hotelsitalyonline.com/cities/rome_map.jpgThe Vatican City is on the West Bank of the Tiber River, just a few blocks West of Castel Sant'Angelo, which is on the West bank of the Tiber River.The following is a map of the Seven Hills of Rome:http://www.utexas.edu/...romanciv/Romancivimages13/hills.jpgThe seven hills lie entirely on the Eastern side of the Tiber River. This is plainly visible.The Vatican City cannot be the Beast of Revelation.

Thank you Jessie/Laura,I am going to address each point separately so that you will understand fully what I
mean, for I am patient, but only to a certain extent, due to the fraility of being
human.Thank you for... 1. Proving that your comment on the Vatican is false and 2. Thank
you also for proving that you, in fact, do listen to Safira and then read Scripture
to back up HIS thoughts and doctrines, so that they can become 'truths' in your
mind, all the while ignoring God in the process.1. I asked several times for clarity in posts on this thread, only because it can be
easy for someone to misunderstand as to the intent of what a person is trying to
convey in their posts. You neither clarified anything or explained yourself fully,
Instead you made several 'statements' and then ran off without explaining them in
any degree. Oh, dont get me wrong..you did translate what Safira was trying to say
in the beginning with the statement in regards to the Vatican. I asked for proof,
you either didnt have it or never had it. I am leaning towards the latter on that,
as would anyone who has common sense should. One cannot make such a blanket
statement and not provide proof to back it up, and expect people to believe them.
Yes Jessie, the burden of proof is on you to show all the world why the Vatican is
the 'Whore of Babylon'. And no...You didnt "say" that outright, but you openly
implied it. And YES, it does matter. You implied it to be TRUTH, not by any Higher
revelation, but
because you took it upon yourself to believe such a statement without proof
yourself. You wanted it to be true and you were 'fed by the master' all the
conspiracy theories and fell hook, line and sinker without once, I will bet,
actually checking into it yourself in a truly mature and critical manner. Had you
done even that, you would have realized that Safira is a thief. He stole lies, and
claimed them as his absolutes. There are many 'tripwires' out there Jessie/Laura,
and unfortunately for you, you tripped and fell right onto a landmine.If you sincerely "listen to the Lamb", as you say, then your proof would have been
explained to you, 'shown' to you, making it obvious even in the most severe light.
I, for example, can take the words of Scripture and twist them to mean anything I
wish if that is what I wanted. Would it be true? Of course not. Why? Because I do
not have the authority to do such a thing. Do others twist Scripture? Yes, to their
own destruction. Well, that statement you made was a bomb and unfortunately for you,
you were sitting right on it. There is only ONE Truth, Jessie/Laura, but you have
chosen to let Safira explain the truth to you. Safira, who has absolutely no
authority to make such claims. You have allowed Safira to guide you with 'his
authority'. Thereby, allowing yourself to be led away from the Shepard and towards
the wolf. You can twist this around all you wish, but YOU know I speak the truth.Your statement is untrue Your statement is a lie. Still think I'm wrong? Then please
read on as I make my second point.You have listened to only Safira, as anyone, who does a search of this site and
another that he had posted on, would plainly see. The internet is a big place
Jess/Laura. But with a name like his, it isnt easy to hide. You have put yourself in
the position of student and him as your 'Master'. Just like you put yourself in the
position of student and let the Jehovah's Witnesses act as your 'Master'. I came
straight out and plainly asked you if you had ever studied under them. Had you
answered honestly, I would have gone in another direction with our thread. But you
didnt. You Lied. But your lie tells me much more than you think. Since you were
willing to accept study with the Jehovah's Witnesses then you were willing to
believe their lies. The fact that you no longer study with them leads one to think
that either you 'smartened' up or that someone else exposed their lies to you and
you in turn were able to 'escape'. It cannot be the former, because you would never
have ended up at that
particular website. So I would say it is the latter choice, because you did end up
on a web site that clearly recognised no authority but itself, openly admits it,
and you were there 'searching for the Truth'. That also leads one to understand
that you are willing to listen to lies and fully accept them again and again.You lied to protect yourself? If that is correct then that would be completely
understood. But that isnt the case. You lied because you wanted to be led, like a
sheep to the slaughter. You lied because you cannot defend one lie with another lie.If you have the Truth, as you claim you do, then lies(being spewed from the mouths
of wolves) cannot hurt you, because Truth protects you. Your lie has hurt you and
the wolf feeds on it.You are a mustard seed? You admit then, that you are a seed. I dare say that you
have allowed yourself to be scattered much as the sower who scatters his seed for
planting. Only you have allowed yourself to be scattered to the way side over the
hard packed ground to go fallow, where the birds can come and feed, picking away at
you until there is nothing left. If you understand the meaning of the parable then
you will see that for yourself.Safira's posts originally intrigued me, only because his posts were odd, to say the
very least. It had to be the translation. I 'watched' as you yourself made requests
to him to clarify himself. He even made a post on the other site that read "Jessie,
whenever I find you" (or to that effect) and that is where your posts there, seemed
to change. Someone there, happened to provided a link to this site and I checked it
out. I then realized that he was posting the exact same info on both sites,(it's not
a crime, mind you) and then I realized that the person "Jessie", was, in fact, here.
It didnt take long to figure out that you also, were posting on both sites as well.
What are the chances, eh?You even mocked him, in a daring way. Telling him to just spit it out. Big mistake,
he sucked you right in by 'puffing' you up and the use of flattery and pretty words.Did I seem angry in my early posts here to him... yep. And righteously so. It had
nothing to do with you. It had everything to do with his lies. But I apologized due
to the fact that I could not, until later, understand his point But I truly doubt
you ever forgave me. You joked with me on a few posts but became angry again when I
questioned you on the tenets of your 'faith'. If someone has the Truth, not their
truth or Safira's version of the truth, but the Truth, then there is no need to be
upset by the use of such 'insignicant' words. Truth answers all honest questions.
But again, you answered a question with a question. Neither you or Safira gave any
proof or any answers to any questions on any post. He was the author, and you
provided the commentary. Which leads me to my final point.I watched as you began to protect him by protecting his icon(name)"Zsaphira". But
the whole thing was getting way too interesting for me. I thought that you were just
trying to figure him out too, and that all the remarks from other people on that
site were just interferring with your investigation. I figured you were a smart
girl, considering the Witnesses didnt get you, right? It wasnt until you 'shouted'
at me on this site, with that Vatican statement that I realized he had you. Guess
you werent too smart after all.There is a statement made by Lincoln, I will paraphrase, "Better to keep your mouth
shut and thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."I have left your children out of this equation. For me to imagine the possibilities
of the damage being done to them staggers even my mind.I am curious as to how deep you're in? Maybe you think you love him? He is a writer,
correct? At least that is what he claims. Are you his co-writer? Or maybe his
publisher or publishing his work? You provided the commentary to his work here so I
doubt I am far from the truth. I would even say you are most likely supporting him.
He no longer posts and the last time I checked, he wasnt even in Brazil. If I am
correct on any of my guesses, even ONE of them, then you are a fool. And we all know
(as in KNOW) what happens to a fool.You revealed too much on the other site, then...allowing yourself to call yourself
sheep ..and he smelled your weakness, your deepest fears. The wolf moved in for the
kill.You still have time to run. I suggest you run for your life.Jessie/Laura, You do not worship God, you worship Safira. He has led and you have
followed, all the while leading you away from God, if not causing you to deny God
altogether.I challenge you to prove me wrong. I will keep my email available to you.I will continue to pray for you and especially your children.Ricka

Dear Jessie/Laura,You wont post anymore, yet you ask me AGAIN to answer your questions. Fine. I will answer, if for no other reason to show you and others why you and Zsafira are wrong. To warn them of your untruths.

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Kindly show me where in the living and breathing words of Gehaveh does it say that you or any re'legion is exempt from worshipping a graven or carved image or idol or whatever you want to call it??? Who are you to "believe" Ricka??? Man or the Eternal's words???? A graven or carved idol is still an idol either way you look at it...whether it is sugar coated or whitewashed.

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(Me*)This second statement is the only Truth you have thus far written in your post. Everything else is a lie.First, just to clarify something... I am not a "re'legion". I know what you imply, and unless you can show proof then kindly not use such 'words'. And dont go there with 'the doctrines of man worship re'legion', garbage cause that isnt "proof", that is a "remark", that is a 'statement'. And your statement is a lie.uuuuuh, Excuse me, did I say that its ok to WORSHIP a graven image or carved idol? No. I didnt even imply it. There wasnt even a hint of implying that. Or, (after I asked you to read carefully), did you ASSUME that is what I meant? I warned you to read carefully. There was no 'hidden' or 'secret' meaning in my warning there on that post, I simply answered your question by proving that Yes...graven images and carved images (or idols) are permissable by God. Yet you twisted it to suit your clouded logic. There is a MASSIVE difference between worship, and honor. You, in your puffed up state of mind like a balloon, so full of yourself in you "knowledge", fail to understand the difference. Here, let me let some air out for you.....(Your words from post #80 in reference to carved images)But what they will not tell you is that it goes against the Scriptures. And what they also will not tell you is that these same carved images are an abomination to the Heavenly Creator.My answer to your post stated and proved that there is NOTHING in Scripture that says that carved images are an abomination. To WORSHIP a carved image is an abomination to God.Below is an example: ('this person' is not you, but we will say it is, JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE): In this person's refute against images they offer the following Biblical verses to back up their claim:Ex 20:4-54 You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
5 you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;Question? Is God saying "Dont make any image",or "Dont make any image and call it "God" and worship it", or both?If you answer.......God was saying "Dont make any image", (Then heres the Truth) Then I suggest that Kodak and Polariod be shut down, all artists be taken out and shot.If you answer...... God was saying BOTH, (Then heres the Truth) Then God was contradicting Himself, (which is NOT POSSIBLE). And I will prove it.(Simplified for those who have eyes yet cannot see....).
4, 5. Thou shalt not make . . . any graven image . . . thou shalt not bow down thyself to them--that is, "make in order to bow (as in worship)."Question? Is all you see this part: "thou shalt not make any graven image" ?? Or did you read the whole thing?(So to answer YET another request of yoursUnder the auspices of Moses himself, figures of cherubim (on the ARK OF THE COVENANT), brazen serpents (in the desert -YES Jessie/Laura CHECK IT OUT), oxen, and many other things in the earth beneath, were made and never condemned.The key to understand the statement about the images is verse 5: You shall not bow down yourself to them and worship them or serve them; ... you shall not worship any image nor serve them, only God is to be served, only God is to be worshiped.But of course, you can have an image of your wife and children and parents, You can have art in your home, office and place of worship... as far as you don't worship them(the image, the idol, the art)... and you can have an image of Jesus or the angels or the saints, to honor them like you honor your parents or children, placing an image of them in your living room.. You show honor and respect everyday when you say simply..."Thank YOU".(with the emphasis on "YOU")Now lets use your clouded logic: Do not allow your children or youself to draw or create with their hands, ANYTHING. Because IF you happen to place (let us say...a drawing of a turkey *got Thanksgiving on my mind*) on your frig or wall or cork board..............then you are worshipping a false idol. Do not even write...for written words are icons, as previously pointed out and that can be construed as a false idol. (I am not claiming that that is what you said, or even implied. I am showing you the fallacy of your logic.)God likes images too: He ordered to put two golden querubim on top of the Ark (Ex.25:18), and to make a bronze serpent and set it on a standard to be seen by everybody in the camp (Num.21:8, Jn.3:14)... an image is worth a thousand words.And just in case you still dont understand...You are an image of God. You were made in His image. Therefore, you are an idol. You are an icon. Created in his image. Not the physical image, but the spiritual image. Your soul is in the image of God. He simply wrapped that image in the slime of the earth and created a human from it.I am not saying that you must have an image of Christ in your church. What I am saying is that if you understand the meaning, then there is no sin in having-or not having- an image of Christ, angels, saints, cross, birds, flowers, trees, chairs, alters, (I could go on) in your church. But you must understand the meaning or you are warned....'In which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.' 2 St.Peter iii, 16.So when I accuse Zsafira of perverting the Word of God, I do so justifiably:And when I accuse you of worshipping a false god, I do so justifiably:PROOF: You claim you do not listen to manmade theologies. How do you explain Zsafira's theology. He interprets what Scripture is, even indirectly, plants the seed in your mind, so you can 'figure it out yourself?' That is a manmade theology. One cannot read Scripture and understand it without understanding its meaning, inflection, intent, and the content that it is in. To do so would pervert the inspired written word of God.Concentrate on the Scriptures alone, and ask for guidance,not from ANY man!!! (your words Post #80) This IS sola scripture. Unless you are taught, you cannot figure it out yourself. How did you learn to speak? You were taught, you didnt figure it out yourself. How did you learn to read? You were taught, you didnt figure it out yourself. Shall I continue...I simply read the Scriptures and listened to the Lamb... (Your words)Gehaveh has touched my heart,opened my ears and my eyes. I do not follow any man made doctrines and love the Eternal with all my soul,strength,spirit and understanding. (Your words)Yet you follow the words and doctrines of Zsafira, placing Zsafira on the throne of God, and worshipping Zsafira as the "eternal". Thus you have "fidelity" in an "image" made up in the mind of a MAN. Thus you worship Zsafira and his man made god gehaveh..PROOF: The lamb YOU listen to...LIES. Lets see what the (your) lamb says. If from what I understand from Zsafira's archaic statements: Zsafira claims and/or implies that God is seven spirits. Now I will admit that God is all encompassing, but NOWHERE in Scripture say that God is seven spirits. This is Zsafira's own spin, and you went round and round with it. The number 7 represents the meaning of Totallity, Wholeness, Completness. So 7 Churches would represent the entire Church, and 7 eyes would represent God's ability to see all things, past, present, future. BUT symbolism and metaphors are not the best way to describe theological truth because they can vary in meaning, so it would take much more than verses like that to prove that God is 7 actual spirits.My fidelity[not faith nor belief]lies in Gehaveh and in His/Her Eternal words as originally written in the Scriptures. I worship what I know in Spirit and in Truth!!! (Your words)How would you even know what is "originally" written? By listening to Safira.PROOF: I am not claiming to be anything other than a simple woman trying to knock some knowledge into your clouded head. If I am understanding Zsafira/Safira correctly by his chaotic statements: I have considered the icon of his name Zsaphira=Safira=(the woman I spoke of in Scripture who stole from God)=Gehaveh=God...by applying critical thinking and logic, Scripture, the writings of the first Christians (or as some would call the writings of the Church fathers-those who wrote, those who compiled, and those who bound the New Testament) and referring farther back even to the Old Testament, how it announces the beginning of devine understanding in content with that of the New Testament comfirming it in regards to the fullness of it, then your friend is claiming that his god is a woman. I am not saying he(Zsafira) is a woman, I am saying he believes God is a woman. YOU also proved this in your post #86.Being specifically a woman would limit God to a specific typical gender trait. By calling him a man would cause the same problem. God is all encompassing, as I stated above, and since you claim to have fidelity in the eternal words then how would you explain: "Our Father...". "Abba"(which means Father), "My Father in heaven" statement, and other such verses in and references in Sacred Scripture? Now you could say that Yes...God is both masculine and feminine, but this is not the same. Male/Female denotes a physical nature of a person (as in human male), while Masculine/Feminine is conceptualized in relation to us in other persons, (had I not told you I was a woman *my username for example*, you could conceptualize what you thought I was based on my words in my posts but you would not know for sure...get it?)Better analogy: You see a shadow, you say "What is it?" You then see the shadow is of a the outline of a person, and you say "Who is it?"That is why Zsafira's post were chaotic...to confuse you so you wouldnt know if he was male or female. If he could do that, and hook you in, then he can pretty much hook you into believing anything.But to continue...Something else to point out. God is Love. Love has no gender. God is Spirit. Spirit has no gender. But, and I stress, although God is all encompassing, He does take on a masculinity in relation to us, so that we may understand certain Truths about Him. That is why He is referred to as Our Heavenly Father.Uhhh, what do you think fidelity means? It means faith. Twist is around all you wish, sugar coat it, whitewash it, scrub it til it shines, but it still means faith.Gehaveh (your god) is a LIAR. There is only ONE God. I worship the God of Abraham, the God of Issac, the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living.Zsafira is a LIAR.YOU WORSHIP A FALSE GOD.YOU ARE A FOOLStill praying for your eternal soul,RickaThis message has been edited by Ricka, 11-27-2004 08:37 AMThis message has been edited by Ricka, 11-27-2004 08:38 AM

sorry for late,The key-question, would you respond some dayIs the word Iesus the original hebrew name spoken by apostles, or is it a greek-latin version?Is the word Iesus the original hebrew phonema/sound that was pronounced and heard by the apostles, being the Reality, or is it just a version of the Reality?Is the word Iesus the Reality, or just a version of the Reality?Written by ZsafiraThis message has been edited by Zsafira, 12-03-2004 10:32 PM

I am not a male, spiritually, I am not a male neither a female.Spiritually I am potentate, not representing myself.I have got a Ministry in the eclipsed and celestial brought to me by my Love Gehaveh of Hosts.And a celestial ministry is to talk about the spiritual doctrines, and not about persons, nor personal opinions. I wouldn t say that Ricka is Riyyah. Dear Ricka, let us interact. There is still time to interact.

Should we introduce Zsafira to Brad McFall? They could then exchange their incomprehensibilities to their hearts' content.

Hi wj,I agree. Everything which is called re`Legion and be`leaves use to love NOT with understanding. All their incomprehensibilities comes from the fact that according to their doctrines, "to love" is just with their heart alone, unlike the Will of Gehaveh of Hosts, and Gehaveh has told: Love with all your STRENGTH, and with all your UNDERSTANDING, soon, the TRUE love is ACTUALLY not according to hearts content. Because there is no truth in the man`s heart. The true translation in the ancient Sacred Vulgate is FIDEL (Fidelity to Gehaveh) and NOT Fide (faith). Everything which is called reLegion and beleave use to beleave whatever their hearts doctrines tell them to, according to their hearts content.*******Written by Zsafira

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In reality, YOU are a man, and therefore are a male, that is your nature. Although, I never considered the point that you may be a hermaphrodite. That would explain so many more things, now that I think of it. And I am not being insultive here. It would explain, though, some of your confusion, but would still not excuse it.

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Yes, you have stated that before and thus you have confirmed what I had been telling Jessie/Laura all along. You want to be a ruler, a monach, one who wants power and position to rule over others. This was 'given' to you by your 'god' gehaveh?, who is no god but a figment of your mind, your will, your destruction. Thereby you have appointed yourself ruler. Again I state, I can create a 'god' using scriptures to back me up if I wanted. Many have in the past, and many will in the future. Just because you claim you are a receiver of 'secret' knowledge doesnt make said knowledge true. You have failed to apply any critical logic in any of your posts, also you have failed to show any proof. You simply make assumptions, or more pointedly, you post lectures, based on your 'secret' knowledge and unfortunately for you, this does not denote truth. Your knowledge is based on lies, you are, therefore, a liar. You quote Scripture, then apply your faulty knowledge to it...this is not Truth. Yet even with your faulty logic, you have managed to blind others.

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Your ministry is hidden (of course) because it exists only in your mind. Again, gehaveh lies, and you, believing lies, beget lies. Why should anyone listen to the liar? You ministry is eclised because it is easier to keep something that doesnt exist obscured or hidden from others. Again, proving my point that this is all your mind, all your doing.

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You are wrong once again. I am one who simply knows what you are. Spiritual doctrines? I dare say you are not ready to face them. The laws are written upon every mans heart. Man, who has free will, can either choose to follow these laws or not. You have chosen your path, not the path of truth, but the path of chaos and confusion. Your path leads to distruction.
My "personal opinions" as you put it, are truly not. They are not personal, Zsafira. I speak only truth, and you know this to be true. This is what bothers you, and that is why you now wish to interact with me. When I asked you several times before for clarification, you choose to ignore my requests and continue with your lectures, yet now you wish to dialogue, only because you know that you have been exposed. Do not be amazed that I know your iniquitites. Even Jessie/Laura could find the truth if she were to simply look. You are a user, using Jessie/Laura to get what you want. What do you want, you may ask? Your book to be published? Someone to take care of you? Not for love of course, though you may make that claim.
You cannot attain this on your own, since others know your iniquitites, just as He knows your words are lies.Isnt it odd that you claimed your publisher didnt even know if you were a man or woman? Ah, because there was no publisher. How were you able to reconcile this to Jessie/Laura? Or did she not pay enough attention to see your tiny bits of truth surrounded by the many lies. That is your game. To take bits (even the crumbs) and wrap them within lies, fed to your sheep and they in turn are so grateful. Yet, you continue to believe your own lies and so you will use an innocent to achieve your want. You lie to her and maybe tell her that you love her?. You lie to her and maybe tell her that her children are your children? You lie to her and maybe tell her that she is your soulmate, wife? Again, I speak truth. Why does this surprise you?You see now. You are a liar. Your god has lied, and so do you. You have aligned yourself equal with another in reality, but this cannot be, for there is only one. You are not that one. You do not understand this because you are confused and confusion creates chaos. Therefore, all who claim knowledge in you and your god, from you and your god, also claim to be part of confusion and chaos.You see, I have nothing to lose here, because this has nothing to do with me. If Jessie/Laura wishes to be with you, then I lose nothing, yet you (Zsafira the person) gain. You gain her, her children, any of her money and all that she is, and in the end...she loses more than the reality. If Jessie/Laura wishes not to be with you, then again I lose nothing, yet you (Zsafira the person) lose. You lose her, her children, any of her money,but she gains more than the reality. But not you Zsaira. She also gains something you have lost long ago...Truth.
I watched as you blinded Jessie/Laura into trusting you. This had nothing to do with me, but I refuse to see another lead into your lies, so I decided here, on this board, to speak the Truth to her.Everything she has posted here is because of you. Not just this thread but all your others. It isnt her posting, but you through her. She lied, but that was because of you, for you, from her. Yet, had you been speaking the Truth, then she would never had needed to lie. Lies cannot protect the Truth.
You cannot blind one who already knows the Truth. That is why I see through your lies. And this bothers you. This may also bother Jessie/Laura, since she may begin to see you for what you really are. I made it clear to her that she may still have time to run, but the decision is hers.Keep this in mind Zsafira...you lost the moment you used Jessie/Laura. You proved to everyone you lied the moment you used Jessie/Laura. Now it is up to Jessie/Laura to open her eyes and see the real you.