THE SIGN OF THE BEAST - All the bears do use their right hand

Dear Ricka,Your Words: I - Your path leads to distruction.I agree. These topics actually leads all the beleaves and reLegions into destruction, and theyre going into perdition, specially when it s whispered that soon there is not a trine of 2 nor a trine 4, in the words KRISTU IESUS, but a trine of six; KRISTV IESVUS - VI, VI, SEI - uno, due, tre, quattro, cinque, sei, sette, otto, nove, dieci; And when the number of the beast is counted in a book which got 66 books in, the black cover, also called Protestant bible.*******II - you have failed to show any proofYou have not asked for proofs about the origin of a Gemmel consonant phonema/sound from the ancient Paleo Hebrew. Every question got an answer since as long as you ask your questions directly investigating that way through which each question takes its time, step by step, patiently, for the Truth alone, visible and touchable ways, not having any contents of belief.*******III - This was 'given' to you by your 'god'I have never used the word God referring to the Most High Gehaveh of Hosts. Although the Sacred Vulgate has used that term, there is no such word in the Ancient Scriptures, but Ellyeon, which means The Most High, and Ell Shadday, which means The Superior Being of All the Potentiality.*******IV - Thereby you have appointed yourself ruler.A potentate or minister is like an angel, and not like a ruler. I have never said that I am a spiritual ruler, not even a spiritual authority. Only the Holy Spirit is a spiritual authority.*******V - This is what bothers you, and that is why you now wish to interact with me.The doors always have been opened to you, to interact your point, and even if you or someone else insults me, actually there is no "me", cause I am not representing myself, also, who am I to close the doors here?Gehaveh of Hosts, the Verb I AM, Who is the Word that became flesh, Ge-I ; Haveh - Am is Who has told you, I AM the door. And the door has always been opened to you. To interact means: "Ask your questions directly according to an investigation, step by step, each question taking its time, and the answer shall be given to you soon, since as long as you start your investigations".*******Written by Zsafira.This message has been edited by Zsafira, 12-07-2004 05:54 PM

Dear Ricka, there is time to interact. The following words are my signature to you,All my words in the contents of these topics were written to be and to have the characteristic (or property) of non-fiction work, therefore, my words are USELESS and PROFITLESS TO CONVINCE, as well as WERE NOT ESTABLISHED TO CAUSE TO BELIEVE in whoever comes to search proof or convincement here. I hope that none believe nor be convinced of any word that I wrote, cause in the ancient books it is attested that EVERY MAN IS A LIE, that is why the Lamb has told you: "I receive NOT TESTIMONY FROM MAN, and I say these things, that you may be saved."*******"And from the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and thunders. And there were seven Glittering White Lights glistening before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of I AM."*******"And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing, as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of I AM (The Word that became flesh), sent forth into all the earth."*******ZsafiraThis message has been edited by Zsafira, 12-09-2004 11:02 PM

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All my words in the contents of these topics were written to be and to have the characteristic (or property) of non-fiction work, therefore, my words are USELESS and PROFITLESS TO CONVINCE, as well as WERE NOT ESTABLISHED TO CAUSE TO BELIEVE in whoever comes to search proof or convincement here. I hope that none believe nor be convinced of any word that I wrote, cause in the ancient books it is attested that EVERY MAN IS A LIE, that is why the Lamb has told you: "I receive NOT TESTIMONY FROM MAN, and I say these things, that you may be saved."

Back to the principle of the Scriptures. I have separated this topic in four contents.first content: The initial eternal words: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.In this first content. The Most High does not forbid. It is not a forbidding.What I AM is saying is: thou shalt not eat of it: and "in the day/time that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".Now, what the eternal words are saying at "Thou shalt not eat"??let put the two points here: the point of the dragon/Ravab/Legion which coincides with the same point of Re'Legions and be'leaves:according to Re'Legions teachings, Adam and Eve could eat that fruit sooner or later, if he wanted.The Truth: They couldn’t, although the tree was always accessible to them, the prophetic eternal words had to fulfill the prophecy as it is said "THIS FRUIT OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL SHALL NOT BE EATEN, THAT IS WHY, WHOEVER COMES TO EAT, SIMULTANEOUSLY SHALL DIE.".According to Ravab/the dragon and religions and beliefs, Adam could eat the fruit of knowledge of the good and evil whenever he wished or wanted.THE TRUTH: what I AM is saying is: thou shalt not eat of it: and "in the day/time that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. MEANING: If Adam could eat, he wouldn't die.I AM/Gehaveh of Hosts does not forbid, but simply says what happen to whoever try to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.The lie is still brought up by dragon/Re'Legion and be'leaves who continues to say that Adam could eat from that tree. And the Truth is: he really could not, because if he could, he wouldn't die.This first content is: The prophetic eternal words. And the prophetic words could not be broken, but they had to fulfill anyway.*******It is like to say "thou shalt not cross that line", cause "in the time/day/hour.."..in that time/day/hour, simultaneously, thou shall die"
If Adam never took from that tree, he wouldn't die.
and he took from that tree, and he spiritually died.The Truth is: when you do want your words to be fulfilled and never be transpassed nor broken, you simply say what happen if someone try to cross your wall/bridge/line. And you simply say: Whoever cross the wall/bridge/line shall die.those eternal prophetic words could be broken or transgressed/trespassed??Adam or Eve could transgress/trespass that line?? Answer: No.But it is not what the dragon/Ravab/Re'legions and beliefs have been continuously saying. They use to say that Adam or Eve could transgress/trespass and that they had trespassed. The Truth: If they could transgress/trespasss they wouldn't die.*******The conclusion of that first content is: Every eternal word is fulfilled, and is NEVER trespassed because the fulfillness of the everlasting prophetic words doesn't depend from the will of man.When those words were spoken saying: thou shalt not eat from that tree. The meaning is: "to eat and die simultaneously", is not actually "to break" neither "trespass" those everlasting words".*******Post Next Soon, with the second content of this investigation, which is called: SimultaneousnessThis message has been edited by Zsafira, 12-15-2004 10:57 PM

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Your Words: I - Your path leads to distruction.
I agree. These topics actually leads all the beleaves and reLegions into destruction, specially when it s whispered that soon there is not a trine of 2 nor a trine 4, in the words KRISTU IESUS, but a trine of six; And when the number of the beast is counted in a book which got 66 books in, the black cover, also called Protestant bible.

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Actually these are my words Zsafira:
You are wrong once again. I am one who simply knows what you are. Spiritual doctrines? I dare say you are not ready to face them. The laws are written upon every mans heart. Man, who has free will, can either choose to follow these laws or not. You have chosen your path, not the path of truth, but the path of chaos and confusion. Your path leads to distruction.Did you actually read my post...no. Did you at least read the paragraph that your answer was based on....no. You do this to Scripture also. You've taken one line out of what I said and made a completely different topic out of it. (having nothing to do with the original topic)
If you are willing to do this with one line of one paragraph, I can only imagine what you have imagined from Scripture. You must be careful, Zsafira, for me to do as you did then one would think that in spite of your answer, you agreed with my proof of you, based on your very first sentence of your paragraph.
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II - you have failed to show any proof
You have not asked for proofs about the origin of a Gemmel consonant phonema/sound from the ancient Paleo Hebrew. Every question got an answer. Your questions were not directly investigating for the Truth.

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Actually, you are wrong again. If you bother to re-read the entire thread then you will see that I have asked time and again for clarifications and proof for your statements of your posts. This is an absurd and illogical comment to have been made by you had you simply went back and checked. But in spite of even that, I have asked and received the correct proof to your above statement, which is the Truth. You stated that your are a kind of linguist, unfortunately for you and your followers, you answers are incorrect. At any rate, below are my actual words:Yes, you have stated that before and thus you have confirmed what I had been telling Jessie/Laura all along. You want to be a ruler, a monach, one who wants power and position to rule over others. This was 'given' to you by your 'god' gehaveh?, who is no god but a figment of your mind, your will, your destruction. Thereby you have appointed yourself ruler. Again I state, I can create a 'god' using scriptures to back me up if I wanted. Many have in the past, and many will in the future. Just because you claim you are a receiver of 'secret' knowledge doesnt make said knowledge true. You have failed to apply any critical logic in any of your posts, also you have failed to show any proof. You simply make assumptions, or more pointedly, you post lectures, based on your 'secret' knowledge and unfortunately for you, this does not denote truth. Your knowledge is based on lies, you are, therefore, a liar. You quote Scripture, then apply your faulty knowledge to it...this is not Truth. Yet even with your faulty logic, you have managed to blind others.

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III - This was 'given' to you by your 'god'
I have never used the word God referring to the Most High Gehaveh of Hosts. Although the Sacred Vulgate have used that term, there is no such word in the Ancient Scriptures, but Ellyeon, which means The Most High, and Ell Shadday, which means The Superior Being of All the Potentiality.

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The word gehaveh...no such word in the Ancient Scriptures.

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IV - Thereby you have appointed yourself ruler.
A potentate or minister is like an angel, and not like a ruler. I have never said that I am a spiritual ruler, not even a spiritual authority. Only the Holy Spirit is a spiritual authority.

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Your actual paragraph, which is one single sentence.

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Spiritually I am potentate, not representing myself.

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Wrong again. A potentate is a ruler. Please, you must stop changing the meanings of words to suit your needs.

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V - This is what bothers you, and that is why you now wish to interact with me
The doors always have been opened to you, to interact your point, and even if you or someone else insults me, actually there is no "me, cause I am not representing myself, also, who am I to close the doors here?

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I made myself perfectly clear that I was not insulting you. Again, my words taken out of context. You claimed that you were niether a male or female, thus leading me to think that you are a hermaphrodite. If that insults you, well, then may I make a suggestion that you be more specific and clarify what you mean. I was only making a conclusion based on exactly what you said.
But to, again, make the point about you twisting things around. My words (V) had to do with the fact that you are so obvious in what it is you want from Jessie/Laura that that is the only reason why you started posting here again. I made it clear to her that you are a fraud and gave proof and suddenly you show up again, after Jessie/Laura knew she was in over her head , so that we could chat?. It had nothing whatsoever to do with open door communication. You are upset that my previous posts are true. You are upset that Jessie/Laura might figure out the truth about you, that you are a fraud. Otherwise, why bother posting again? Jessie?Laura stops and you start.I will post more soon.

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"And from the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and thunders. And there were seven Glittering White Lights glistening before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of I AM."

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"And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing, as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of I AM (The Word that became flesh), sent forth into all the earth."

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I am very well informed of those specific passages in the Bible. Exactly why you posted them here is anyones guess.
Is this your proof that God is seven spirits? Maybe, in the light of charity, you should be a bit more forthcoming with an explanation. As opposed to simply slapping a statement or verse up here, it would fare better to explain what your trying to say.
Again, I know those passages. I also know what they mean. Do you?
What, specifically, do these verses mean to you Zsafira, and how do they equate with your mode of thinking?

Hi Ricka,The Lamb has been talking to the winners who are losing about the BELIEVE(a verb to believe) standing where it out not. Read book called "according to Mark"Not just an abomination that causes desolation
But the "believe" is that causes desolationNever forget to insert that word "believe" to replace the keyword abomination wherever this keyword appears there in the versions of the Sacred Vulgate.
That is why "to believe" is called "abomination" by the Most HighInserting the prophetic code: But when ye see the ABOMINATION of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Gewdaea flee unto the mountains: .shall the winners flee to those mountains???Inserting the prophetic code: But when ye see the BELIEVE (of the desolation spoken by the profet Daniel) standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains..So everywhere that the word "abomination" appears, then a winner who is losing simply inserts the word " believe" or "belief"Shall the winners flee to the mountains?? Answer: No, cause the winners who are losing are not in the Yudaea (the believe called Youdaism).Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. As it is said:
And let him that shall be in the field not turn back to take up his garment.Let not omit the verb "turn back" and what it is said about NOT TURN BACK.prophetic code: garment=our mortal clothes/ our bodies/ by turning back=generating a new flesh to die and born again.That is the part where the winners who are losing are changed, in a twinkling of an eye.Prophetic code: Don't turn back to take up your mortal garments = "You shall be reclothed/by Mediation of the Unction/ being reclothed of total immortality".The winners are in the field, gathering the wheat(spiritual seeds), and the field is also a prophetic code.The winners are in the field, and not in the housetop, cause the winners already knew that Truth: that none of them apostles have ever built temple/the spiritual housetops/or material churches/ neither have them authorized nobody to do so.soon, who are those who are on the spiritual housetop, and what it is said to them to do??
no, they certainly didn't ...I am sure that they had some fellowship with others who remained in I AM's Living Words in some of their homes.. to fall off of their rooftopsThe winners who are losing are in the field, and not in the housetop, cause the winners who are losing already knew that Truth: that none of them apostles have ever built temple/the spiritual housetops/or material churches/ neither have them authorized nobody to do so.The way the belief/religion/Church has operated it's form of worship and all, I have never been able to see the aposles doing such things.These apostles were humble, and beyond humble...with nothing that they cared about on this Earth ...except for one thing and one thing aloneThe Scriptures: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house nor enter therein to take any thing out of the house.question: soon, who are those who are on the spiritual housetop, and what it is said to them to do??.and what is the spiritual code for "possessions"??Soon, what is the code for "any thing taken from the house"??ANSWER:
Prophetic code: . ..let not go down into the house = the house building was not authorized nor any other spiritual building/ ..nor enter therein to take any thing out of the house = things them blind who leads blind use to take from their house: 1. their beast's doctrine/ and 2. false prophet's spiritual teaching. 3. their doctrinary images. 4. their image that they made of the Lamb. 5. their doctrinary interpretations, their denomination, their +sign of the beast, their name VTSIRK SUSEI of the beast and the 6. kind of number of the beast brought in their memory whenever they do their lecture/preachings of the Scripture.*******Zsafira

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All my words in the contents of these topics were written to be and to have the characteristic (or property) of non-fiction work, therefore, my words are USELESS and PROFITLESS TO CONVINCE, as well as WERE NOT ESTABLISHED TO CAUSE TO BELIEVE in whoever comes to search proof or convincement here. I hope that none believe nor be convinced of any word that I wrote, cause in the ancient books it is attested that EVERY MAN IS A LIE, that is why the Lamb has told you: "I receive NOT TESTIMONY FROM MAN, and I say these things, that you may be saved."

Blessings to you Ricka,
The Holy Scriptures were originally written right to left,without any breaks,Living Words given to those whom Gehaveh chose.
Man transgressed what was not supposed to be transgressed.
Man broke what was made not to be broken.
For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things,Gehaveh shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,Gehaveh shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.
In the Scriptures it plainly says that "man is a lie" and elsewhere "do not put your trust in man".
I do not worship any man, nor anything manmade.
Everything that is me and in me belongs to the Most High
Ask, seek, knock and the door will be opened to you!!
What is the door...it is our HeartAnd since you know the Scriptures so well:
Stop making rash assumptions and judgements...for there is only ONE who judges the Heart.Jess

Hi virtuous Ruby,I like that topic that you've found out, the totality of the Seven of I AM abiding in you have brought that immediate spiritual knowledge to you:The woman(church) who call herself by the spiritual title: Matrix/Mother is verily sat upon seven hills.Whoever reads here, initiate the prophetic code "seven hills" literally accessible at the pages for tourism at Rome, initiate in an immediate time that prophetic code for the spiritual title:"Sancta Matrix Prostituta Gtica Babilonica Romanesca*******Yet to present computers at 5:20 were not re-established, that Ims download will take a little longer.Talk to you soon.

Hi Zsafira,
"Here is a clue for one who has wisdom. The seven heads represent seven hills upon which the woman sits. They also represent seven kings: five have already fallen, one still lives, and the last has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a short while."Rome:It is situated in the central part of the country, on the Tiber River. The historical site of Rome on its seven hills was occupied as early as the Bronze Age (c. 1500 BC), and the city was politically unified by the early 6th century BC. It became the capital of the Roman empire (see Roman republic and empire).
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AS IT WAS THEN AND STILL IS NOW; NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUNJess

WHERE: In the Scripture of the Truth, as it is said: The seven heads represent seven hills upon which the woman sits.WHERE: By the woman which spiritually means: city/ congregation/The area called Rome: 129.000 hec. that means a town with
2,656.000 inhab.
Tevere and Aniene: 27 town bridges,*******Rome is symbolized by the Seven Hills that are typical of it and which.*******In ancient times: had been an important reference for the Latin communities that settled here.Source: it-school.*******Zsafira

WHERE: In the Scripture of the Truth, as it is said: The seven heads represent seven hills upon which the woman sits.WHERE: By the woman which spiritually means: city/ congregation/The area called Rome: 129.000 hec. that means a town with
2,656.000 inhab.
Tevere and Aniene: 27 town bridges,*******Rome is symbolized by the Seven Hills that are typical of it and which.*******In ancient times: had been an important reference for the Latin communities that settled here.Source: it-school.*******Zsafira

Zsafira,
I will not respond to any of your new posts until you have addressed mine above. Far too often you have moved around from topic to topic without any sense of order and I cannot accomodate you any longer. If you wish for anyone to understand the words of which you are trying to convey then we must start at one point and move foward together. Otherwise, you are a bell clanging for no one to hear. I asked you to explain your posts of those two verses from Revelations above. I will await your response. Thank you and many blessings for a wonderful New Year.
Peace,
Ricka.

Laura,
It was never my intention to be rash with you, although I understand fully how hard it is for you to accept the truth. I also understand how you must feel when you read a truth and wish to lash back at me with posts that accuse me of making rash assumptions and judgements. I have done niether, and it must be difficult for you to realize that, since you are unable to provide any proof. I posted this thread to prove that Zsafira's teachings were incorrect, and that following of them is also incorrect.
My undersatanding is not simply what I know, but what is taught to me through the Church, which was established by Christ. I must admit that many teachings are hard. Even the Apostles said this. (Lk. 6) We must take off our cloak of pride and clothe ourselves in the truth of faith, because they both cannot be apart of us. One sees the path of salvation through trusting God and accepting those hard to accept truths. This narrow life leads to salvation, clearly. All others, to destruction.
I hope that we can continue our dialogue, but I would ask you to answer the question I put forth to you on my post #94, as well as provide the link to the Vatican dictionary that you spoke of often in this thread. Many blessings for a wonderful New Year.
Peace,
RickaThis message has been edited by Ricka, 01-02-2005 12:02 AM

Please allow me to write to you using the subject My sister Ricka,
Because I like to read your words whenever you tell me to elaborate,And as you told me to elaborate that point about the Eternal Word that became flesh being Seven Spirits, let me do it to you,
Step by step,Because everything takes time and I am not teaching, I am just singing these instructions to you, not as a teacher, but being just one who sings a new Song of Instruction. Therefore I don’t have teachings and I shall not teach you because everything was already attested in the ancient books to you.And to sing the instruction is not to teach, but just to reject the evil(belief/theology) and choose the good(the Scriptures as originally written).The Word that became flesh has told you saying: I AM the Same, I AM the First, I AM also the Last. And in order to know that the only mediation is the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit is not just the First of Seven, and that the Holy Spirit is not just the Last of Seven, and that the Holy Spirit is the TOTALITY OF THE SEVEN WITHIN the Lamb, one might understand the mediation of the narrow middle path step by step, which means to start to view by the principle:And the principle is:1. phrimmi - The Mistery of the Holy Cross spiritually attached on the forehead as a simultaneous sign of sanctification ministered by the celestial angels for the holy Mother/Sancta Matrix.2. sequenti - The Mistery of the pronunciation of the words In the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit spiritually attached to the holy cross on the forehead.3. trminus - The Mistery of the trinity spiritually attached to the cross as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.. mediatus - The Mistery of the unction(vaticynius) of the baptism(vatesimus) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.. mediatus - Part II — The Mistery of the Mediation of the Holy Spirit called Gehav-Oshuah (which means I AM the Salvation) being the middle path.Is the Love to be loved with all your understanding?
Or is the Love to be loved just with your heart and soul only?There’s no understanding without deduction, and to deduct is to reject everything that is just a belief, and simultaneously restart to give permanence to every word that was verily pronounced by I AM.What is to reject: these things are going into perdition: the ministery of the beast(the doctrine) upon which the Sancta Matrix is sat, as well as every doctrine spoken by the false prophet(theology).My sister Ricka,
The Word that became flesh has revealed the Mistery of the Cross, and how the holy cross is part of the spiritual Ministries established by I AM and given to the angels to be ministered by the same celestial potentates. And as you asked me to elaborate, I will post a next soon, step by step as it is said above at 1. phrimmi, initiating with the truth about the Mistery of the holy cross.And before I post that next soon, I would like to ask you 3 questions, and to respond it is very easy. Just mark with an X the correct statement:1. The body of the Lamb is a human body that abides:[ ] One Spirit within like every man is born being just one spirit, also the Lamb was born being just One Spirit abiding in a body of man.[ ] Three Beings.[ ] Three entities being just One Spirit.[ ] The completeness of the HOLY SPIRIT Who Is THE TOTALITY Of The Seven Spirits of the Word that became flesh.2. When the Lamb said I and the Progenitor(Forefather) are One the meaning is that within the human body of the Lamb abides[ ] a man having ONE SPIRIT because every man is born being just one spirit.[ ] Three Beings.[ ] Three entities being just One Spirit.[ ] The completeness of the HOLY SPIRIT Who Is THE TOTALITY Of The Seven Spirits of the Word that became flesh.3. When the Lamb said I and the Progenitor(Forefather) are One the meaning is:[ ] That the Mediation is just the Son/Firstborn.[ ] That the Mediation is the Progenitor/Forefather[ ] That the Mediation is the TOTALITY OF THE SEVEN, because THERE IS A MEDIATION between The First of Seven(I AM the First) and the Last of Seven (I AM also the Last) that is why the Mediation Is the COMPLETENESS OF THE SEVEN Who is the Holy Spirit abiding within the Lamb, because IS THE HOLY SPIRIT Who Is The Word that became flesh.*******Zsafira.

Greetings to you Zsafira,
Thank you for responding to my request.
I do understand that you either use a translator or something of that sort. It makes understanding you difficult, but not impossible. I decided that the best way to respond to your post was to simply give you the truth. The same truth that has been handed down for 2 millennia. I am sorry that you wish to want to change it now, but this is not possible.
In understanding my point, please listen. When your platform is built upon the condemnation of the Church (or anyone in particular), you have already failed. The Church is more than hierarchy, Rome, theologians or clerics, it is more than an institution-the Church is people. This is what you continually miss. Knock down the heirarchy, knock down Rome, theologians or clerics, but the Church still lives. As long as man exists in this world, there is the Church. It lives because it is in us.
Jesus, God in the flesh, made it clear..He built His Church on Peter, that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect the Church with Truth and Light and would abide in the Church that Christ established and built forever, even until the ends of the earth, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Now we can spend all year debating over this particular person or that one, on this one's sins or that one's sin but the pivotal point that you must realize is that the Church itself is still the Pillar of Truth, led by the Holy Spirit. Christ is the Head, and we are the cells of his Mystical Body here on Earth.
Now, this would include you too. All of mankind, not this person or that person, but all of mankind is a cell within the Mystical Body of Christ, which also happens to be called the Church. But as such as Our Lord teaches, some will be separated. The bad from the good, and like a cancer, the bad cannot exist outside the body, therefore shall not see everlasting life.I decided to not debate your previous post this time, after finding too many flaws. Since it is apparent that you have your own meanings to Scripture, we seem to just go in circles at times. And while I fully admit that the english language is really poor at describing some of the more difficult words in the Bible, I also admit that the true meanings are available, online. But you dont seem to bother with the true meanings of most of the passages you use.
In honesty, it is too time consuming and unimaginable that anybody actually believes what you post. But what is truly the most grieviously sad part is that you practice the most dangerous form of Sola Scriptura, and in it you condemn yourself and those who follow you. I only wish to show you the Truth, not to judge you. Yet you continually choose to see things in Scripture that just arent there.
I do not know what anger or grievance you hold to the Church, even though you say you have none. But I think you really do, coming from a country that is 95% Catholic, there are more than likely some litigurical abuses or other type of abuses that happen there (as they could anywhere really) and you decided to just give up. Instead of fighting for God, you simply made up your own.I hope that we continue to dialouge. You have made me search my heart for the truth, and honestly, I would never have looked into the Church otherwise if I hadnt started investigating some of your claims. I wondered if anything you said was true and that started me on my journey. In investigating, I realized I had avoided and ignored the most perfect jewel that God had made here on earth, His Church. I am grateful to you, Zsafira (yes! you!) for showing me the beauty and majesty of God's love in His Church. I will forever say a prayer of thanksgiving to you to God for leading me on this path. And He does work in mysterious ways, for before I had casually read for a few years books on the Church, I had never cared to notice the difference. It may have appeared that I was quite happy to live a life separated from God, But when I encountered you and Jessie/Laura chatting back and forth, I thought maybe you two were on to something, that maybe you both had found a truth others had missed. That led me to earnest study and to ask question after question to those within the Church and outside the Church, and each answer by the Church was consistent and accurate to the teachings in the Bible. What a shock!! Not only that, but talking to those who understood Koine Greek, Hebrew, and Latin (most of whom arent even Catholic) as well, I saw more and more flaws within your 'song of instruction' and more perfection within the teachings that the Church instructs. I currently am in contact with a Rabbi who is quite literate in Paleo-Hebrew and after he had studied some of your posts he stated: "The trouble with Hebrew is that it has no vowels in the written form, so it's easy for him to manipulate the pronunciation. Plus the fact that there are errors dealing with Latin words that he(you) uses. The text was Greek, Latin and alittle Hebrew, and not all of those treat the name of Jesus in a way so that the JE can be taken as i.e., yet he(you) has convienently claimed as such by posting it here and many are far too willing to believe him without investigating the truth for themselves"..
I will end this here as I must go for now. But this is the information concerning the seven spirits. Peace to you brother and again, May God Bless you and show you His Truth, may He grace you with His Love, so that your hardened heart will soften.Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
4. Even though there were other churches in Asia Minor, John addresses only seven, a number which stands for "totality," as an early ecclesiastical writer, Primasius, explains. "He writes to the seven churches, that is, to the one and only Church symbolized by these seven" (Commentariorum super apoc., 1,1).Grace and peace are the outstanding gifts of the messianic era (Rom 1:7). This form of salutation embodies the normal forms of greeting used by Greeks (jaire, grace) and Jews (shalom, peace); but here the words mean the grace, forgiveness and peace extended to men by the redemptive action of Jesus Christ. Thus, St. John is wishing these gifts on behalf of GOD, the seven spirits and Jesus Christ.The description of God as he "who is and who was and who is to come" is an elaboration of the name of "YHWH" but better ("I AM WHO I AM") which was revealed to Moses (cf. Ex 3:14), and underlines the fact that God is the Lord of history, of the past, the present and the future, and that he is at all times acting to effect salvation.The "seven spirits" stand for God's power and omniscience and intervention in the events of history in this salutation. In Zechariah 4:10 divine power is symbolized by the seven "eyes of the Lord, which range the whole earth." Further on in the Apocalypse (5:6), St John tells us that the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth are the seven eyes of the Lamb, that is, Christ.
This symbolism (also found in the Old Testament: Is 11:2) is used to show that God the Father acts through his Spirit and that this Spirit has been communicated to Christ and by him to mankind. So, when St John wishes grace and peace from the seven spirits of God it is the same as saying, "from the Holy Spirit", who is sent to the Church after the death and resurrection of Christ. Patristic tradition has in fact interpreted the seven spirits as meaning the septiform Spirit with his seven gifts as described in Isaiah 11:1-2 in St. Jerome's translation, the Vulgate.Rev 1:12-16 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden girdle round his breast; his head and hair were white as white wool, white as snow, his eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters; in his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth issued a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength
12-16. The lampstands in this first vision symbolize the churches at prayer; they remind us of the seven-branched candlestick (the menorah) which used to burn in the temple of Jerusalem and which is described in detail in Exodus 25:31-40. In the midst of the candlestick, as if guarding and governing the churches, a mysterious figure appears, in the form of a man. The expression "son of man" originates in Daniel 7:14 where, as here, it refers to someone depicted as Judge at the end of time. The various symbols used indicate his importance. His "long robe" shows his priesthood (Ex 28:4; Zech 3:4); the golden girdle, his kingship (1 Mac 10:89); his white hair, his eternity (Dan 7:9); his eyes "like flame of fire" symbolize his divine wisdom (Rev. 2:23), and his bronze feet his strength and stability.The seven stars stand for the angels of the seven churches (v. 20), and our Lord's holding them in his hand is a sign of his power and providence. Finally, the splendour of his face recalls the Old Testament theophanies or apparitions, and the sword coming from his mouth shows the power of his word (Heb 4:12).It is interesting to note that our Lord used the title "son of man" to refer to himself (e.g., Mt 9:6; Mk 10:45; Lk 6:22); it is always used in St John's Gospel to indicate Christ's divinity and transcendence (e.g., Jn 1:51; 3:14; 9:35; 12:23)."Burnished bronze": Latin versions translate the original as "orichalc", a shining alloy of bronze and gold.Rev. 4:5-From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder. Seven flaming torches burned in front of the throne, which are the seven spirits of God.

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Flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder: as in other descriptions of God's appearance or activity; Rev 8:5; 11:19; 16:18; Exodus 19:16; Ezekiel 1:4, 13.
The seven spirits of God: the seven "angels of the presence" as in Rev 8:2 and Tobit 12:15.
These seven spirits of God are angels of the presence, (Tobit 12:15- I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord.")Please dont tell me that you think Raphael is God?Peace and many blessings.This message has been edited by Ricka, 01-08-2005 13:12 AMThis message has been edited by Ricka, 01-08-2005 13:15 AMThis message has been edited by Ricka, 01-08-2005 13:28 AM

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